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My Ishi, new 2018 12

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Topic: My Ishi, new 2018 12
Posted By: Arminius
Subject: My Ishi, new 2018 12
Date Posted: January 22 2019 at 1:23pm

This thread is just to show my Ishapore.

Bought it just before Christmas.

Tested it only with dummy rounds ( parking lot buy, after internet offer ).

Although it´s clearly marked "2A1" it has the 2.000 sight.

Wood is, IMO, very beautiful, looks like polished Teak.

Bolt is slick like ... an Enfield. ;-)

I cleaned it, test fired at 20 m only until now.

The original mag is numbered, but not to the gun. And looks bad. Holds 10 rounds, ok, I might squeeze in 11, but cannot seat on a closed bolt then.

BTW, ANY Ishapore I could find in Europe offered for sale, including some which were chopped to "Jungle Carbine", has a 10 rd mag. So who says, the 12 rounders are the standard? Couldn´t verify this.

I didn´t know this, when, immediately after buying the gun, I started looking for accessories, specially magazines. Especially 12 rounders.

Nothing.

Yes, Numrich ( now other name ) might have after market 10 rounders, but will not sell outside US anymore. Same story with ALL US companies!

But there came help:

GOOSIC!

Praise! Clap

Goosic sent me a mag.

Made it clever, so it went clear through customs - no hassle, no costs.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!

The mag is an aftermarket 10 rounder, I think, but might be Arsenal new.

What I DO know is, that it sits supertight in the mag well, and functions perfectly!

THANKS, Goosic!

I already know, where to by Enfield parts.

I already have the Holy Grail in hands: I got a Parker Hale No 5A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

( Thanks to a member from another forum! )

Next step is grouping at 100 m with different ammo. See, what she likes.

Get an appropriate front sight, so the rear sight is exactly "on"?

Perhaps get a spare extractor spring for a rifle No 1 Mk III?

And then, the decision: put the P - H on it, or

get a Jungle carbine bubba´d Ishi, and put the P - H on that? ( -> Crocodile Dundee )( = longer sight line, like in a real No 5 )

Get another Ishi, which shoots good and isn´t as beautiful, and put the P - H on that and go Service rifle competition, and preserve my Beauty as it is?

Forget about collector value, and get good wood rear stock and front forearm, and have the rifle with full lenght bbl and P - H peep sporterized?

Thanks to all for their help,

and SPECIAL THANKS TO GOOSIC! Smile

Hermann

P.S.: did I say THANKS to GOOSIC? Clap

 

 



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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: January 22 2019 at 1:49pm


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: January 22 2019 at 1:51pm
The mags shown are:
 
the mag, which came with the gun
 
Goosic´ mag
 
AICS 10 rd mag, made by MDT, with is single feed on top, but double stack in the lower part. It´s for my Ruger GSR.
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 22 2019 at 2:16pm
P-H5A is a great sight!

It will need a little individual fitting to the rifle. You need to bend the leg, or shim, or both, to get the wind arm level to the bore & not tilted Left<>Right. Its easy but individually needed.


The PH5A's zero at 200Yds, you must do this if you want to use the vernier clicks instead of the yards scale ones or you'll end up in negative numbers which is annoying. You will need to do this with the 7.62 round as the PH is normally calibrated for the .303.

If you need help with this just let me know.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 22 2019 at 6:02pm
looks to be a great rifle , congrats on your find , 


Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 12:35pm
Mag pix:
 


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 12:39pm
this pic is relevant to this topic:
 
 
My first Grandson.
 
:-)  :-)  :-)
 
Who will inherit all those guns and mags??
 
;-)
 
Hermann


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 4:39pm
nice - a man with a plan , i like it , 


Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 2:52pm
Bayonet is there:
 
its BEAUTIFUL!
 
It looks like new! ( or arsenal refinished ). Fits the rifle, is unsharpened, all well.
 
I´m happy. I don´t dig bayonets, it´s just to accompany the gun.
 
Hermann
 


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 2:54pm
Nothing to hold the bayonet on the belt. VERY surprisingly, something came along on online auction site:
 
 
bought it. € 9 ( S & H was more )
 
I don´t have it in my hands yet.
 
Hermann
 


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 3:01pm
 
I got a really fine P H 5A from a kind man.
 
All works well with that.
 
But then THIS popped up on the Internet:
 
 
What do you think of this?
 
I bought it ( not cheap ), it´s on the way to me.
 
I think I´ll want a Gibbs Carbine, with scope base installed, and perhaps another Ishi ( they seem to be addictive! ;-) ), and then decide, which sight to put on which rifle.
 
Anybody has an Ishapore 12 rd mag to sell??? Tongue
 
Hermann


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 6:25pm
nice - correct bayo for that rifle with scabbard and a proper frog , hope that rear sight works - others here are more well versed in those than i am , 


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 4:26am
What make is that last sight? Is it one of the Australian manufacturer's?


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 6:51am
I don't recognize it either! Nor can I find one like it  in any of my files.

Is there a makers name on it somewhere?

There's a reason why the scabbard has a separate "belt loop" (called a "Frog")!
the early long "sword" bayonets could also be carried attached to the side of the backpack, partly because they were so long it was not possible to Kneel while wearing them on the belt.


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 1:27pm
Wow! Thanks for the frog info … I always wondered … Wink
 
Regarding the sight: I have NO idea.
 
Seller doesn´t know also, it seems, says only: "like P H 5A, for SMLE, No 1 Mk III".
 
But the curve on the body looks definitely No 1 Mk 3, and the disk is a target disk.
 
It´s a gamble: if it fits, and is RARE, I come out well. If it doesn´t fit, I had bad Luck.
 
I´ll look closely when it arrives.
 
Any bet´s on it´s make? Big smile
 
Regards, Hermann
 
 


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 07 2019 at 3:45pm
Its definitely for a No1 Mk III with that mount.
Utterly wild guess!
Khyber pass attempt at a peep sight & someone had heard of a P-H 5A?
If so its kind of cool.
Wacko


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 12:22am
This is not primitive: look at that long range scale, and at the screw with which to adjust the angle of the whole setup to be exactly 90° to the bore.
 
MY guess would rather be a target sight along the lines of the ( perhaps too expensive? ) P - H 5A.
 
Australian? Indian ( but not Khyber Pass work )? Canadian? Who used No 1 Mk 3 rifles the most and longest?
 
Irish?
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 6:36am
India! Or the Solomon Islands if you include police applications.
"Police forces in both the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands" rel="nofollow - Solomon Islands and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanuatu" rel="nofollow - Vanuatu continue to operate and maintain stocks of No.4 rifles."

Don't knock Khyber pass engineering, they did some amazingly good work, I just wouldn't trust anything pressure-bearing because of the unknown metal quality involved.
They will fabricate, replicate, copy & re-purpose anything they can get their hands on (including things like threaded rod if they can't make it with taps & dies).
Many are really close, but simplified for hand manufacture, replicas of existing products so the "Like P-H 5A" might be a big clue to origin.


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 10:41am
I think it might be posting photos of that rear sight on the "Milsurps" forum. There is an Australian member there that has an exceptional collection of rear sight's. I'm certain he could identify it for you.

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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 11:53am
Does anybody know the thread size of the sight disk(s) in the P H Diopters?
 
Is it the same as Redfield, Lyman, Marble´s, Williams sights?
 
3/8"?
 
Thanks in advance, Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 08 2019 at 4:12pm
I think (but am not certain) that its the same as Lyman, assuming a genuine P-H.


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 11:22am
from somebody at thehighroad.org:
 
"7/32X40 has been the standard for Williams-Marbles-Lyman hunting/general use aperture sights for a most very long time, almost a hundred years at least."
 
I have several Williams sight discs, I will try ASAP.
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 11:23am
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/replacement-aperture-for-an-old-williams-sight.303016/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/replacement-aperture-for-an-old-williams-sight.303016/
The author should get credit for his knowledge.
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 09 2019 at 2:46pm
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 8:41am
Ich bin so dumm:
 
( I´m such a fool )
 
all things to try in house, no need to go anywhere, ask anybody, buy anything!
 


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 8:51am
Williams apertures, partially with long shank. ( for their WGRS ):
 
left hunting disk size, 3/8" ( all data from memory ) outside, middle one 1/2", right target disk, somewhere 7/8".
 
aperture sizes: smallest .050", standard .093, Williams recommended: .125, .150. I think all are in the picture. Target disk with smallest opening only. The "twilight" series has a brass ring, not around the aperture but on the peeps outside. Don´t know if they still make this.
 
This are my spares, there are some in use on rifles.
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 9:05am
with Parker Hale 5A:
 


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 9:15am
The Williams apertures fit perfect!
 
Even the "feeling" while screwing them in was the same, seems dimensions and tolerances are the same!
 
P H 5A in last 2 pics with Williams Twilight aperture fitted.
 
As can be seen from the pics, the Parker Hale original aperture seems to be approx 1/2" outside and .125" inside ( I would have bet on .05 for target work, and according to Williams, .093" is "standard" )
 
Anyway, the 3/8" outside Williams makes for a good hunting peep, .093" or .125" aperture, I´ll see, if I can get the .150" in twilight configuration for "Close Combat" work. ;-)
 
So no need to look for an expensive and scarce P H 6 hole Diopter insert ( which is, IMO, 1/2" or larger outside )
 
Hermann
 
P.S.: to be honest, I still don´t understand why the brass ring on the "Twilight" series should help on low light.


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Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 1:04pm
Hermann, I got a reply from a friend on milsurp's regarding the Australian rear sight that you showed us. This is from the expert.

The sight in question is a TYM, patent number 19,157/34, made by Samuel Tym, a grazier from Coonamble NSW, in 1934.

The sight was also made under licence as VEE KEE LEE, by Edwards and Motton and as the SURESHOT SPECIAL, by Evans and Balfour.

The example depicted is in original condition and as a collectible worth $300 to $400.

Hope this helps!



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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 1:08pm
WOW!
 
I´m speechless!
 
I paid € 235 + S & H.
 
I am happy!
 
THANKS, Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 10 2019 at 2:37pm
"I love it when a Plan comes together"!
John "Hannibal" Smith Col. USA (ret)


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 11 2019 at 1:53pm
Arminius:
you should post that over at GunBoards!
https://forums.gunboards.com/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1394570084-47ff1104eda5cdfb4f132218ebd02c86658097e0" rel="nofollow - https://forums.gunboards.com/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=1394570084-47ff1104eda5cdfb4f132218ebd02c86658097e0
They have several very serious collectors there & not one of them has ever posted that sight!
Nor has the guy in New Zealand that has a very detailed Lee Enfield site!
http://www.allaboutenfields.co.nz/" rel="nofollow - http://www.allaboutenfields.co.nz/





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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 12 2019 at 9:57am
I know the latter site you listed, have bookmarked them, the sight in question looks similar to their "MUES" sight.
 
Will look in that sites.
 
Thanks for the links, Hermann


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 12 2019 at 1:38pm
found this:
 
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/BSA_sights_and_accessories.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.rifleman.org.uk/BSA_sights_and_accessories.htm
 
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights.htm
 
Hermann


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 12 2019 at 3:13pm
I think you found a rare (& so collectable) one there!
Beer


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 11:39am


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Posted By: Arminius
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 11:50am
Left resp. first pic is P H, second one "mystery" Diopter ( TYM Samuel Tym or VEE KEE LEE by Edwards and Motton or SURESHOT SPECIAL by Evans and Balfour ).
 
Peeps: 2nd from right is P H, ~ 1/2" outer dia, ~ .93 hole, 1st from right is "Unknown", dia ~ 1", hole very small, perhaps .050". This is a target disk.
 
Note completely different method of upper part release and lock, and difference in spindle: P H is only partial lenght, and the sight locks via the spindle screw.
 
Note also "split" design on P H Diopter.
 
"Unknown" is full lenght spindle, and lock is against dovetail slide ( better, but it´s against the recoil forces. reverse direction would be better. Then, it´s SO tough a spring, there should be no problems ).
 
P H has peep "standing" on Diopter "bridge", "Unknown" "hanging" from it.
 
H


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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 17 2019 at 7:46am
I'm not sure if its a trick of the light or what, but my P-H 5A has a MUCH wider "slot" almost 1/4"(6~7mm) from front to back!


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