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Try again? What period is this Oiler?

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Topic: Try again? What period is this Oiler?
Posted By: Ed42
Subject: Try again? What period is this Oiler?
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 6:09pm
British Broad Arrow on the top and W.H.B. Over a Broad Arrow then Crown over R5 over B. No dates. Any ideas?



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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 23 2019 at 6:50pm
i lost all my data on the oilers a number of years ago , its a mid period i think but cannot be certain with what little i see , it would fit nicely in any mkIII* or early no4 , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 6:14am
Why trying again?
Did something happen to the original? I can see it fine!


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Posted By: Ed42
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 6:57am
Shamu, for some reason on this and my cleaning kit post, I can barely see any of the photo?????


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 9:21am
That's odd I see it fine?
What browser are you using?
(I'm on Firefox)


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Ed42
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 9:51am
my iPhone with Safari but it works elsewhere fine. The picture that you posted I think of your S marked rear sight on my thread about my No. 4 Mk. 1 showed up the same way but I just thought it was maybe an enlarging glitch! I really don’t use my desktop very much now. Just use iPhone!



Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 1:05pm
It sounds like some kind of compatibility issue


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Ed42
Date Posted: January 24 2019 at 1:47pm
Yeah, Ihave that problem sometimes!😉


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 11:52am
Does the oiler have a flat bottom and is able to be stood on end?

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Posted By: Ed42
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 11:56am
Hi.  Thanks for the answers. Yes, it has a flat bottom and will stand on its own!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 1:43pm
I'm guessing WW1 through early WW2 manufacture.
From what I've read they were used & reused & replaced if they were lost or damaged so you could have the brass, the black Bakelite & the clear plastic all side by side.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 2:38pm
Flat bottom = Mk.IV oil bottle, 1906 - 1950

W.H.B = W.H. Briscoe & Co., Ltd., 51 Park Street, Birmingham.

They produced 
150,000 during the Great War (1914-1918).



The bottles are called oilers, which is actually a bit of a misnomer. Originally they were intended to carry petroleum jelly (Vaseline), hence the spoon inside the lid to scoop it out. 
Jelly for protecting the metalwork, Rangoon oil for lubricating the moving parts.

No doubt simple lubricating oil quickly became the stuff to use for both cleaning and lubricating.


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 22 2019 at 5:23pm
i have both a black and red bakelite version in my accumulation , i have not seen the clear c, anyone have one they can post a photo of ? 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 7:35am
Here you go, sorry its not better!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: February 23 2019 at 2:08pm
ok , thats cool - is one ive never seen before , obviously newer vintage than anything ive ever owned , it would be one i might add if i had occassion to get a newer rifle i think tho 


Posted By: terrylee
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 8:08am
Can anybody identify this oiler?  Posted it once before without success. Perhaps one of our new members might know.

It is marked to BSA and apart from its length is exactly the same as a Mk.IV. Fits into a butt trap, but once there there is no room for the pull-through.







Posted By: paddyofurniture
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 12:31pm
P14?

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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 1:10pm
that would be my guess as well as the buttrap of the M17 was set up fpor the US oiler that looks to be about the same as that longer one - ill one day dig out both of mine and re-photo , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 2:55pm
I'm not so sure.
The P-14 6" oiler was double-ended! Is this one double ended?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 10 2019 at 3:53pm
the US oiler was capped on both ends but i did not think the comonwealth version was neccessarily so - they did not use the US oiler did they ? 


Posted By: terrylee
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 12:13am
I think that you chaps are on the right track concerning M17/P14 usage. Thanks, but this raises several issues: 

The but-traps of both these rifles are of similar lengths as the SMLE etc and obviously designed to accommodate both oiler and pull-thoough. Separate in the P14 and in one container in the M17. This oiler only opens at one end with a normal sized spoon attached to its stopper. In effect greatly increased oil capacity but nothing else. 

I also note that it bears the BSA logo but no military markings.  I just don't see where it fits in!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 5:46am
Made by BSA for commercial sale?
I wonder if the commercial BSA's that weren't SMLE's had a butt trap? Might it be for a Lee Speed or other commercial model?


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 5:53am
This is a BSA made Lee Speed and is not an SMLE, it has a butt trap of a slightly larger diameter than that of a service arm.




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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 7:47am
Is it 6" or more deep? That might be the missing clue!


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: englishman_ca
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 8:28am
Seven inches deep

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Posted By: terrylee
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 8:42am
The mystery oiler compared with one from an M17. The length is similar but nothing else



Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 11:25am
I really have no clue about that oiler; but just thinking maybe it's for something different, such as a Boyes Anti tank rifle or a Bren.

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Posted By: Pukka Bundook
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 2:07pm
Terry,
 
I had the long double -ended one like yours, but think I left it in a rifle I sold!
 
Was nickeled or chromed.  Would fit in any normal L-E I had...


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 11 2019 at 5:18pm
i left all of mine in the US rifles i sold and yes all had the correct kit , i need to dig out my P14 & M17 to refresh my memory as ive not had either out in such intiment fashion in years , now im interested further , need to dig out the bibble me thinks , 



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