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    Posted: September 25 2020 at 10:20am
A question to the board.....is there a reference to the serial #'s assigned to the #4 rifles issued to the RCAF? Thank you for your responses.
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Were #4's even issued to the RCAF? I know of the E.A.L rifles being issued to flight crews in the event of a survival situation.
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Mayybe for airfield defense or something?
Is there a Canadian equivalent to the RAF Regiment?
Maybe there was before Unification?

"The Royal Air Force Regiment (RAF Regiment) is part of the Royal Air Force and functions as a specialist corps founded by Royal Warrant in 1942. The Corps carries out soldiering tasks relating to the delivery of air power. Examples of such tasks are Non Combatant Evacuation Operations (NEO), recovery of downed aircrew (Joint Personnel Recovery - JPR), and in-depth defence of airfields by way of aggressively patrolling a large area of operations outside airfields in hostile environments. In addition the RAF Regiment provides Joint Terminal Attack Controllers (JTACs) to the British Army and Royal Marines, and provides flight size commitment to the Special Forces Support Group.[5]

The RAF Regiment Gunners are personnel trained in various disciplines such as infantry tactics, force protection, field craft, sniper, support Special Forces operations, CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear) defence, equipped with advanced vehicles and detection measures. RAF Regiment instructors are responsible for training all Royal Air Force personnel in basic force protection such as first aid, weapon handling and CBRN skills.

The regiment and its members are known within the RAF as "The Regiment", "Rock Apes" or "Rocks". After basic training at RAF Halton, and a 20-week gunner course at RAF Honington, its members are trained and equipped to prevent a successful enemy attack in the first instance; minimise the damage caused by a successful attack; and ensure that air operations can continue without delay in the aftermath of an attack. RAF Regiment squadrons use aggressive defence tactics whereby they actively seek out infiltrators in a large area surrounding airfields."


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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Mayybe for airfield defense or something?
Is there a Canadian equivalent to the RAF Regiment?
Maybe there was before Unification?

"The Royal Air Force Regiment (RAF Regiment) is part of the Royal Air Force and functions as a specialist corps founded by Royal Warrant in 1942. The Corps carries out soldiering tasks relating to the delivery of air power. Examples of such tasks are Non Combatant Evacuation Operations (NEO), recovery of downed aircrew (Joint Personnel Recovery - JPR), and in-depth defence of airfields by way of aggressively patrolling a large area of operations outside airfields in hostile environments. In addition the RAF Regiment provides Joint Terminal Attack Controllers (JTACs) to the British Army and Royal Marines, and provides flight size commitment to the Special Forces Support Group.[5]

The RAF Regiment Gunners are personnel trained in various disciplines such as infantry tactics, force protection, field craft, sniper, support Special Forces operations, CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear) defence, equipped with advanced vehicles and detection measures. RAF Regiment instructors are responsible for training all Royal Air Force personnel in basic force protection such as first aid, weapon handling and CBRN skills.

The regiment and its members are known within the RAF as "The Regiment", "Rock Apes" or "Rocks". After basic training at RAF Halton, and a 20-week gunner course at RAF Honington, its members are trained and equipped to prevent a successful enemy attack in the first instance; minimise the damage caused by a successful attack; and ensure that air operations can continue without delay in the aftermath of an attack. RAF Regiment squadrons use aggressive defence tactics whereby they actively seek out infiltrators in a large area surrounding airfields."




My No4T is Ex RAF (Regiment) and was last 'serviced' in August 1968 at 34-Base Workshops Catterick.





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well , i cant answer the direct question , but its a canadian made longbranch , ive never seen those markings befor in all my years of enfield activity that goes back to skennertons site , im sure others with info will jump in 
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

well , i cant answer the direct question , but its a canadian made longbranch , ive never seen those markings befor in all my years of enfield activity that goes back to skennertons site , im sure others with info will jump in 

I wonder if it could be a 'civilian added value' marking ?

It doesn't look well enough 'executed' to be something done by a professional organisation, I guess it could be done by a previous owner with a 'scratch pen', or maybe it was an RCAF Armourer on a bad day.

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I spoke with a gentleman last night and he states the RCAF did in fact have #4 rifles but they were few in numbers and are considered scarce items. He also stated these rifles had either a stamped or electro penciled RCAF marking on the action bodies. He owns one of these rifles in complete original condition. If I could get a photo or two I could share them with you members. As The Armourer said....never say never when it comes to Enfields!
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Does it have a Canadian ownership stylized maple leaf on it anywhere? (Kind of a triangle with a tail)
That would be a big clue.
(sorry this one's been lined out)

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No mine does not. It also has not been to England and back as there is no ENGLAND stamp. There are very few stampings, actually, just a couple of faint tiny inspector stamps. The barrel has also a faint LB stamp.
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Here is proof. This fellow's rifle shows the stamped RCAF logo on the receiver. He also has an electro penciled example. He states there were about 200 such rifles destined for the RCAF. My photo is yet to be determined as being an original example but his serial number and mine are about 6K rifles apart production wise.   
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