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I’m most likely going to dremel the pin off of the mandrel. I ordered another mandrel to have a spare. I have a Lee de-capping die I can use for that function in the interim, if needed. 
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So, instead of messing with the whack-a-mole loader I did go ahead and cut the de-capping pin from the mandrel for the Lee neck sizing die (and ordered another one).  I pulled the bullets with an rcbs collet puller, resized the necks and reloaded. The bullets are nice and tight now. 

And as previously mentioned, I put the smaller expander in my full length die for when I prep some more of the once fired hxp brass I have. 







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Yep, that’s how I do it, any time you pull a bullet, the necks will no longer have sufficient tension to grip the bullet again unless you size them. You will have lots of use of the mandrel with the decapping pin removed. 

You can also get undersize or oversize mandrels from Lee. The more times you resize cases without annealing, the more springback the brass has and you gradually loose neck tension. The best way to deal with this is to anneal on every reload, but that is a bit of a pain (although, that’s what I now do).  So it’s handy to have a -.001 mandrel available if you find neck tension is fading (that’s much better than crimping in my opinion). 





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Thanks. 

I have been looking at annealing options. I decided I’m going to put together a “bean machine.”  And have started accumulating pieces for it. 1st video is a short of one someone built. Second is by the gentleman who designed and produces the 3d printed parts for it. 






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So as mentioned, the neck sizing die works good. 

But I full sized some more of my once fired brass (first fired in someone else’s gun) using the smaller.310 expander I mentioned a couple posts above. The neck was tighter than before but with two of the rounds, there was still some slight movement at the cannelure. The projectiles were .311 ppu fmj-bt with cannelure. I ended up running them through the neck die too. 

So I’m thinking I’ll chuck the expander in my drill and hone it a little with some maybe 1000 grit sandpaper. 

Or, will a Lee .308 expander from a Lee 30-06 or .308 win die work in the 303 die? 

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Lee se2169 is the expander Im thinking of.

Per lee's website it is the same length as the se2358, which is currently in my 303 Brit. full length die.  Both the se2169 and se2358 are alternates for 7.62x54r. The se2169 lists it as an expander for 7.5x54mas, 308 win, 300 savage, 30.40 krag, 7.62x54R and 300wsm.  So, I'm going to give one of those a try.
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I have a RCBS F/L and neck sizing die and both have a .310" expander ball.  I have had no issues with any of my .310" 200grn D166 FMJ- Rebated BT projectiles maintaining tension with the cases. I use a Redding Body Die currently followed by the RCBS Neck Sizing Die with the original .310" decapping pin and again, no issues. 
I have new and once fired Winchester brass, once fired  Hornady/Frontier brass, and a mix of PPU and IVI brass. No issues with any of those when seating bullets. 
The only time I have ever heard of loss of neck tension after resizing brass is when someone had polished the inside of the case neck or, not putting enough downward pressure, "25 Foot Pounds" or more on the press arm to get the Collet Die to engage the case neck properly...
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Run some fine Emery Cloth between the fingers on the Collet Die to open it up a bit to get more squeeze on the case neck. When resizing, turn the case 180° after the initial resize and give it one more squeeze...
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Both the op and I noted the same issue with the Lee full length die. So it could be somewhat common with Lee dies. However, my Lee collet neck sizing die works fine. 

I had a similar issue with my 7.62x39 Lee dies on .310 bullets. The smaller of the two included expanders, which I believe is .308, gave adequate neck tension, however. 
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

Run some fine Emery Cloth between the fingers on the Collet Die to open it up a bit to get more squeeze on the case neck. When resizing, turn the case 180° after the initial resize and give it one more squeeze...

My Lee collet neck sizing die is fine. It’s the full length sizing die that is the issue, same for the op.

I do utilize the 180 deg turn when I use the collet neck die. 
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You can get an undersize expander from Lee for the FL die. 

I currently use a Forester FL die, the expander measures .3100 and the case necks have good grip on the bullet. It may be your cases have had a a number or reloads without annealing the necks, this causes about .002 springback after pulling the neck thru the expander and loss of neck tension.  Until I started annealing the necks, I used a -.001 expander from Lee. 








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I’m certain these were first reloading as I had to remove the military crimps after depriming and the green hxp sealant was evident. I had a similar issue I believe with some s&b I originally fired in my No.1 then full length sized so I could use in my No.4. 
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If they were cordite loaded cases originally the necks will never have been annealed, as the cordite was loaded into the case before the neck was formed. 
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They show the annealing line. 

They seemed tight until the bullet is almost to the top of the cannelure groove. With this smaller expander only 1 or 2 got loose whereas with the other expander all of them were loose. It’s not much trouble additionally running them through the neck die. But hopefully the 308 expander will fix the problem.  I’ll be building an Annealer soon. 
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HXP was Mk 7z, nitrocellulose loaded. But it only takes a few reloads to significantly work harden the necks. 
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Something is still amiss here. You should not be having this issue with the "Correct" expander ball,  mandrel or whatever 303 British die set you are using. 
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slowindown. I have 52 prepped, once fired and full length resized PPU cases I would be willing to trade you for those HXP cases of yours.

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