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Wstan0701
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Topic: Replacement No1 mk3 boltheadPosted: August 13 2021 at 9:45am |
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Posted: August 13 2021 at 11:14am |
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Your rifle is fine. In service only the .074 gauge was ever used. That and the .064 Go gauge for fitting barrels. Since your rifle passes with the .074 then there is no issue at all.
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Posted: August 13 2021 at 11:30am |
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however I reload, get split cases
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Posted: August 13 2021 at 3:51pm |
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When you say split, is that the neck or are they separating at the other end?
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Posted: August 13 2021 at 3:51pm |
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Have you tried annealing your brass? Just a suggestion.
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Posted: August 13 2021 at 6:37pm |
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split lengthwise? Sounds like S&B to me. Maybe that's why you're having a problem?
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Posted: August 14 2021 at 2:42pm |
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case splits at the base
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Posted: August 16 2021 at 2:50pm |
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Your headspace is fine. That's not the problem. .303 headspace for enfields rifles is from 0.068 for the go gauge to 0.074 no go, with a 0.078 field gauge. Commercial gauges use the same spec as .30-40 Krag, which is smaller.
That being the case, my questions are as follows, in order of importance: 1. How many times have you loaded that brass? 2. How are you sizing it? 3. What brand us it?
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Posted: August 16 2021 at 5:14pm |
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Some commercial brass is known to have thin webs, the area of the case that transitions from the solid head to the case wall. Chambers with longish headspace will over strain the case web and cause it to crack. The .074 field gage was the limit for .303 British military brass for safe one time use, not intended for reloading.
If you want your cases to last more than 8 or 10 reloads, set headspace close to the GO gage limit. This is the beauty of the Lee action, we can control headspace. Military brass with tight headspace will get you 40 or more reloads. PPU is good brass, I’ve loaded mine 30 or more times and still reloading it. No signs of web thinning yet.
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Posted: August 16 2021 at 10:33pm |
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The original gauge sizes for the .303 Lee Enfield!
0.064" is Go gauge. (Bolt should close). 0.068" is No Go, for manufacturing (Bolt should not close) 0.074" is the Field gauge. (Bolt should not close on this for a used rifle). If you are reloading, please tell us t you are using and how treat the cases. Getting headspace to the 0.068" gauge will help.
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 12:09am |
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The cases that have split,had been reloaded three times,
I use S&B and PPU cases which are fireformed to the rifle and are neck sized only, use reduced loads at 12grn of unique, the split is at the base so have to use a case split tool to remove them , That’s why I ask if anyone has spare bolt head with tighter head space, my bolt head is a later type without the grove cut in the thread , thank you all for your reply’s and interest
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 5:49am |
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Not to belabor the point but ive had old .30-40 and ‘06 cases split lengthwise at the neck and shoulder and crack around the neck but never had one split at the base but I have seen cases that have separated at the base where the body and case head tear apart. So are your cases splitting lengthwise at the base or separating? Splitting is caused by old work hardened brass while separation is caused by excessive headspace. If they are splitting you might have something weird in your chamber but if they are separating I would agree that there is excessive headspace. This issue hadn’t been mentioned, check your bolt for any damage or cracks. Would be an answer if the rifle went south all of a sudden.
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 8:06am |
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Britrifles, headspace on a .303 has nothing to do with the shoulder of the case. The headspace gauge doesn't even have a shoulder on it. I'm afraid the headspace measurement isn't going to help him here. Zed, those are modern, commercial headspace measurements. Unique is a pistol and shotgun powder. It burns relatively fast compared to rifle powders. 12 grains of it isn't even a max load for a .357 magnum. That's a small powder charge in a big case. Some powders tend to detonate under those conditions, instead of burning like they're supposed to. I've even seen it while loading uncompressed loads in a .45colt. It manifests in the form of velocity spikes on the chronograph, which is the result of pressure spikes. That could be what's stressing the brass and causing it to split prematurely. Just a theory. I only load rifles with rifle powders, so I couldn't say for sure.
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 8:20am |
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I’ve been using about 10.0 gr of VV 32C aka VV Tin Star in my krags, ‘03s and now playing with it in my ShtLE. A lightish load but shooting close steel with 190+- gr lead boolits in BAMM it works just fine. It doesn’t split or separate my brass.
Just thought but has anyone suggested trying a cerrosafe chamber cast. It would give you accurate measurements of your chamber. At least you would know how big it actually is.
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 8:38am |
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Case separation, especially in an older No1 has alot to do with with the chamber area that was made oversized to allow for dirt and debris while still allowing the rounds to feed. This rifle was never intended to be used with the reloader in mind. It is and always be a military battle implement and with that in mind, you can find a rifle with a,"tighter" chamber area but more often than not, it is what it is. Getting a longer bolthead simply will not achieve the desired affects you are looking for. The rim will still contact the breech face but beyond that, you have that chamber area the case sits in and when the round is fire the case expands to fill that area and if that chamber space is larger than the normal, you get cases that will separate. To help minimize the separations, you can use military or similar thick walled cases for reloading but thats about it...
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Posted: August 17 2021 at 12:31pm |
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post seems to have got lost not interested in case problems or powder issues. Where can I get a No1 mk 3 bolt head ?
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