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Emerritt14 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2022 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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I recently picked up a Lithgow no 1 mk 3 made in 1941. I love the rifle. But I'm having trouble with using the chargers. When ever I load the rifle with two chargers and stagger them the way they are supposed to (3 down 2 up), the rims get jammed on each other in the magazine. When I try to pick up one round with the bolt it's rims catches on the second round below it causes the rifle to not cycle. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5297 |
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![]() Is this how your are loading the charger? |
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AussieShooter ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Status: Offline Points: 343 |
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This issue came up recently in another forum, and I also had rim
lock at the range last week. I am copying this picture which was
posted on the thread. This maybe a little easier to see than a live
photo. Someone said an easy way to remember is DUDUD. Sorry about all the posts - i couldn't get the photo to load.
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scottz63 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2021 Location: Mid Mo Status: Offline Points: 829 |
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Wouldn't DUDUD cause rim lock on the 1st and 3rd rounds?
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AussieShooter ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Status: Offline Points: 343 |
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I thought the same thing, but this pattern was repeated by several posters, and is the pattern loaded into Brtifiles Charger. I haven't yet investigated how this works!
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it was used by commonwealth forces for a long time in these rifles
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5297 |
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It’s always worked for me in the rapid fire stages where we must recharge the magazine. I also haven’t tried to find out how it works, it just does. Some of the commercial cases don’t have a well radiused rim on the back edge, which will allow the cartridge being chambered to override the rim on one below it.
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Interesting. I had thought it would be better to load the charger with every rim in front of the previous one.
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Actual British and Commonwealth military ammo had a bevel on the rim to alleviate rim jams, commercial ammo made today not so much.
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The BOTR vid does it well. thumb position & angle is the trick, so is forcing them FULLY ALL THE WAY down.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Hmm... Learn something new every day here. Thanks! Just compared. Modern PPU ammo on the left, WW2 ammo on the right. You can clearly see more of a bevel on the back edge of the rim on the WW2 ammo. ![]() |
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My PPU cases don’t have that undercut just in front of the rim. How long have you had those cases? |
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Something else you might consider is the actual loading process as taken from pg.183 of The Lee-Enfield by Ian Skennerton: (QUOTE)
LOADING (a) Turn safety catch to the forward firing position with the thumb of the right hand. (b) Grasp the knob of the bolt with the forefinger and thumb of the right hand; turn it sharply upward, and draw back the bolt to its full extent. (c) Take a charger between the thumb and first two fingers of the right hand, and place it vertically in the charger guide. [Pay close attention to the last sentence in the following paragraph.] (d) Place the ball of the thumb immediately in front of the charger on the top round, and hooking the forefinger under the magazine, force the row of cartridges down with a firm but continuous pressure until the top cartridge is engaged in the magazine. A further charger may be inserted IF necessary. (END QUOTE) I cannot for the life of me remember where I had read about never fully charging the Lee-Enfield magazine because it can over compress the follower spring and tilt the follower enough to cause a rim jam and after reading this it kinda makes sense...
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It was a fairly common practice. Load with 5 so you were never "empty" on the first indication of "contact" slip 5 more in there.
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