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    Posted: November 30 2021 at 6:15am
I bought a No. 4 Savage from a coworker a few years ago, he had bought it thru AIM Surplus 15 or 20 years ago.  It went thru the Fazakerley FTR and Mk 2 upgrade in 1951. He had not fired it.

When I got the rifle, I removed the forend, cleaned and inspected it.  Faz had reworked the draws with hardwood inserts, the forend fit very nicely giving correct up pressure on the barrel at the muzzle. A new Faz 5 groove barrel was installed.  Headspace was right at minimum with a #1 bolt head.  

The barrel passes a .3020 gage, but not a .3025 gage.  I’ve put about 200 rounds thru this rifle, and it shoots very well, certainly good enough for CMP vintage military matches. 

Today, I looked at the bore with my borescope and was surprised to see the condition.  It looks new.  The throating reamer marks are still clear, no throat erosion at all, rifling is sharp right to the front edge of the chamber. No sign of any fire cracking. I don’t think this rifle was issued after the FTR.  



Here is a pic of the throat, just at the front edge of the chamber.  



And about 1 inch forward of the chamber



A 174 gr Sierra MatchKing contacts the rifling at an overall length of 3.190 inches.  The Mk 7 bullet seats a bit shorter at 3.180.  I seat these bullets to 3.05 inches, so it has a 0.14 inch free bore, much better than my shot out Long Branch barrel.



I’m going to use this rifle as my match shooter until I replace the barrel on my Long Branch.


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That is beautiful!
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I looked back thru my pictures and here are the results of the first range test.  Shot prone in sling at 200 yards. PH 5c rear sight fitted.  10 shot group is a bit over 2 MOA. 





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That truly is an impressive rifle and equally impressive target results!
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Originally posted by Canuck Canuck wrote:

That truly is an impressive rifle and equally impressive target results!

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Thank gents.  

I noticed the firing point number didn’t match the monitor number, turns out I grabbed a later photo of the Savage after I put the Mk 1 rear sight on.  The first test shooting was done with the PH 5c rear sight. Uploaded the correct photo. 
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Here are the correct pics of the second time shooting this rifle after fitting the Mk 1 service sight.  This time on firing point 29.  Again, Prone in sling at 200 yards. Still needed a slight adjustment of the front sight to center the group. 




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OK, one more pic.   This was the best group I’ve shot with this rifle in prone at 200 yards, 100-7x.  Darn near a 100-8x with that 10.9 shot number 2 at 12:00. 10 shot group is just under 4 inches (2 MOA) extreme spread.  It’s a definite shooter, no doubt at all.  Anything outside of the X ring is on me. 


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Outstanding shooting!
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That's great shooting and a great rifle. You'll clean up next year with that!
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Thanks Zed, but remember, you have a much tougher target, I really doubt I could shoot a clean score on the targets you use.  Isn’t the 10 ring only 1 MOA?  That last target with the 10 shot group I posted came in just under 2 MOA extreme spread, 8 of the 10 shots within 1.5 MOA. 
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The 10 ring is 8 cm or about  3-1/4". at 200 metres which is around 220 yards.
So probably closer to 1.5 MOA. 
Currently I've been shooting .22 Enfields at 50 metres. It's been complicated getting to the 200 metre range since Covid started; and even before that I wasn't getting enough practice. (it's a 2 hour round trip plus range time and it's got to be Saturday. not easy with family!

Have had some fun with the .22's though; saves money too!

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Here's a couple of photos from February this year. First outing for the L39 since I removed the varnish from the stock. Required only small amount of adjustment to get on target; white patches are for the L39. Probably need more work on the load for this rifle.  This was 39.8 grains SP7 with 155 gr SMK and GGG case + Fed primer. Need to try the N140 with this rifle.

The SMLE was first time out having it apart and also with the PH sight instead of the AG Parker No9 type. Started too low, second series of 5 was still a bit low then added too much elevation and ended up 8's and 9's above. However I was happy with the group size on the last set. 
.303 load is 38.6 grains of N140 with 174 grain SMK, PPU case and Fed primer.

These are shot prone with sling, (no rest or bag) as per competition.




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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

The 10 ring is 8 cm or about  3-1/4". at 200 metres which is around 220 yards.
So probably closer to 1.5 MOA. 
Currently I've been shooting .22 Enfields at 50 metres. It's been complicated getting to the 200 metre range since Covid started; and even before that I wasn't getting enough practice. (it's a 2 hour round trip plus range time and it's got to be Saturday. not easy with family!

Have had some fun with the .22's though; saves money too!


If I had shot that 100-7x group on the targets you are using, the score would have only been 97, maybe a 98, depending on how hits are scored.  It would be very tough indeed to shoot a clean score (100) on those targets!  Your 10 ring is about equal in size to the NRA SR Target X ring that I’m shooting on at 200 yds.

The US NRA Mid Range (MR) Target has a 12 inch 10 ring (2 MOA), which is used at 600 yards for prone slow fire.  I’ve only shot a clean score once on this target, with my No. 4 7.62 conversion.  

Holding ten consecutive shots within 1.5 MOA with irons and without any support (except your elbows) is really tough.  In the US, a score of 97/100 is a NRA High Master classification, the top level of competitive Service Rifle (Highpower) shooting. 


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Zed, here is a photo of the full size Short Range (SR) target we use at 200 yds for the M1, 1903 Springfield and Vintage Military Rifle Matches.  The photo is cropped at the edge of the 6 ring, the outer score ring is 5.  

The X ring measures 75 mm and 10 ring is 175 mm.  

The match consists of three strings of 10 rounds each: Prone Slow Fire, Prone Rapid Fire and Standing Slow Fire.  On the target below, you might be able to see the bullet holes from the standing slow fire stage, bullet holes from the prone stages have been pasted over.  Standing is of course the most difficult stage, the goal is to keep them all “in the black” which takes a lot work to master.  I rarely achieve this, but usually can shoot in the low 90’s in standing. You will see two shots outside the black in the 8 ring at 4:00 on this target. 



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At the range today to shoot the Savage.  I’ve got some work to do.  It’s stringing shots vertically, 4 to 6 Minutes,  very ugly.  I switched over to the 1942 Mk 1/2 Long Branch that I bought from A Square10 last year and it just hammered the X ring, shot 292-13x (out of 300 “possible”) running a 30 round practice Vintage Military Rifle match course of fire (prone slow, prone rapid and standing on the SR target at 200 yds).  

Something must have gone wrong with the forend fit.  Something else to fiddle with over the winter.  It had shot so well before, at least I know it’s not me! 😳




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