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    Posted: June 09 2019 at 10:49am
As most of you know I got a 1943-44 Savage enfield at a local estate auction, and after deciding not to flip it and hope for something better I`m now in the process of restoring this old girl.
Being new here and not having much to offer, other than luving enfields, two fine gentlemen, have stepped up and have provided me with every thing to put this rifle back to good nick.
Except for the stocks, thanx so much Mr Shirey, every thing is Squared S correct.
The bolt which does not match but is very close serial number sequence wise is fine, I`m thinking when this rifle along with others sent here yrs ago were put back together, the bolts were probably thrown into any given rifle with disregards to matching them up, which seems to be the norm not the exception.
Most of the original blackened finish is still present so thats the way it will remain, the bolt is actually a good fit and the head spacing is with in spec, I could cheat and grind out the serial and re stamp it, but I don`t think that would be fair to its history, who knows, the bolt could be a battle field expedient fix, but more than likely mix and match after arriving here.
Presently I`m working on fitting the stocks, still a little work under the knox form to get it just right, almost there, it is tedious work to say the least. The rest of the wood was fairly proud of all the metal work, so I`ve shaved it down to match other examples I`ve seen. It`s a real pleasure working with well seasoned walnut, pretty much like working with hard butter.
Removing the old finish, I use my preferred method of scraping using various burr edged scrappers in my collection, they work wonderfully and ultimately reduce surface prep for refinishing, which with be naturally, oil.
I will post pics when done and before heading off to the range with it so you all can see my labors.
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If I were to replace the L battle sight to a ladder type, which type would be correct/appropriate to the savage m1*, if at all.
I really don`t like the 300/600 L`s
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 The Mk1 Singer Micrometer sight. You can find them with a Savage S on the upper left. They are getting  as rare as hens teeth however. Most of the original No4Mk1 * rifles came away from the factory with the L flip sight. 
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Originally posted by shiloh shiloh wrote:

If I were to replace the L battle sight to a ladder type, which type would be correct/appropriate to the savage m1*, if at all.
I really don`t like the 300/600 L`s

Shilo. 
This is on ePay right now.  A Savage issued Mk1 Singer Micrometer rear sight with the square S  stamped on it...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2019 at 5:55pm
Shiloh. 
I totally understand your desire to repurpose this rifle back to a factory original condition.  That being said though. Do not get yourself fixated on trying to find every single square S stamped part the rifle originally left the factory with.  You currently have a No4Mk1* that is fitted with a No4Mk2  stock set and a non sequential serialed bolt body. When a rifle was sent through a FTR (Factory Thorough Repair) the rifle was reassembled using whatever part was needed to complete repair process. The bolt,if needing to be replaced was refitted to the receiver using a lapping process so the bolt lugs engaged the receiver properly like the original did. If an upper or lower band needed to be replaced? Whatever was in the bins,and so forth.
The primary function is to restore the rifle to as original as possible. Liberties will be taken by you however that affect the course of the refurbishment.  I do wish you all the best that you so succeed in finding and acquiring all the Savage bits necessary to bring your rebuild to fruition. Do not become distraught or disillusioned if you cannot locate  the Savage bits right away. Something's take time...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2019 at 6:06pm
for what its worth the later ladder sight 2nd version slide type would also be appropriate for that age rifle , common expedient this side of the pond 42-44 savage
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

for what its worth the later ladder sight 2nd version slide type would also be appropriate for that age rifle , common expedient this side of the pond 42-44 savage

That is what was fitted to my '42 Savage MK1* but it is currently stored carefully away as I have fitted a Singer type for easy adjustment.
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Lots of the later type, but I'll probably but a micro metre type, I like them.
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nothing wrong with a great sight on a working rifle - my comment was intended for the collector , you all enjoy those enfields - they aint makin them anymore and we are not gettin any younger , they need to be used 
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My '44 Maltby came with the slide type rear sight. but for target shooting it's not great; as the adjustment between each indent is big. I swapped it for the Singer sight to use in competition; but will keep it for the collection value.
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Here a couple pics, wood work finished and fitted to receiver, the other is of the bolt head slot thingy, half of it appears to be broken off, just noticed this this morning.
If this is what secures the bolt in position while in the locked down position, I don`t think this poor old rifle will be safe to shoot, opinions pls


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That wood looks beautiful on that rifle. Happy to see it has a new home. The bolt slot pictured is as it should be. No worries there. I will post pics of both my Savage and Long Branch to show you they are identical to yours.
Keep up the excellent work shiloh.
My No4Mk1* Long Branch has the same identical cut in the raceway Shiloh and is very safe to shoot.
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Here is the slot in my 1943 No4Mk1* Savage along with a picture of the whole rifle for your looking pleasures...Big smile
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Sorry. I see what you are referring to now. I do not  recommend that you attempt to fire the rifle yet until someone can offer a solution to this problem. I have seen a repair done where the broken off piece was welded and then filed down to working order however, if that helps at all...
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Nice KH Kawa' Shiloh. What capacity is that?
I have a Z1 in my shed, but it needs renovating.
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