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Zed
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Here's a photo comparing differences in the receiver's of my No4 Mk1/2 with the 2x No8's
The No8 in the centre is based on the No4 receiver and has no ejector screw hole, so was made from a new blank part. The No8 with the No5 type receiver has the ejector screw hole, (without the screw). Both No8's have a tapped hole near the safety that does not appear on the No4. So which of these holes would be used for the PH match sight's?
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Shamu
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What was that extra screw for? Attaching Iron sights like a P-H of some kind?
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Stanforth
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Sorry not to have got round to answering this sooner. Comparing my No.8 Target rifle (No.4 Action) with my No.4 MK1*. The Parker Hale 5C sights will go straight on and the only thing that you will loose is the ejector screw which you don't have on the No.8 anyway. The sight fits using the ejector screw hole and the left upper sight mounting hole. No tapping required as the ejector screw is already tapped and the upper mounting doesn't require a tread as the mounting screw fits from the inside and the sight is already tapped for it. I hope that helps.
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Stanforth
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By the way.
If you are shopping around.. The A.J.Parker TZ47/4 is the same as the Parker Hale 5c. I have one on my Envoy, also a No. 4 Action, and I can't tell the difference. Good hunting. Geoff
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Zed
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I have a TZ47/4 on the L39. There's currently a PH 5C for sale in France; they want around 280 Euro's, it is good but not pristine condition though. But it would not be suitable for the Service Rifle Trainer class which I do compete in with the standard rifles
The idea of using a scope was to see how the rifle would stand up against the modern stuff in the .22 Hunter series. This uses 25 inividual targets, one shot on each. I do have a CZ455 thumbhole that's really nice for this type of competition (without paying stupid money). Obviously there will be some that will turn up with a few grand's worth of Anshutz or whatever; but the idea of competing with a rifle that is almost 70 years old sounds more fun. Especially if I can get it out shoot at least some of the competition.
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Shamu
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There's also a South African PH5A copy that's rumored to be nice. When they were under the embargo they imported P-H's til they got caught then they made a copy (licensed) locally! My P-H 5A is South African marked. (Broad arrow in a "U") bottom right. |
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Then why not try the TZ47/4 on your No.8. You have nothing to loose and you will find out if you want to go down that route at no cost.
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Zed
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I may try that out Geoff, see if I can hit the Hunter target without a scope; now that would be cool!
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In competition where I have a choice I prefer to use my TZ47/4 to my scoped rifle even in a Mcqueens competition where most of my Club members opt for a 12X scope.
Up to 500 yards I can make similar scores with my Envoy to members using 'F Class' rifles.
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[QUOTE=Stanforth]
In competition where I have a choice I prefer to use my TZ47/4 to my scoped rifle even in a Mcqueens competition where most of my Club members opt for a 12X scope.
Up to 500 yards I can make similar scores with my Envoy to members using 'F Class' rifles. [/QUOTE I have a TZ4/47 on my Enfield No 8, with a Lyman 17A front globe. I can regularly outshoot most of the scoped rifles at our club's monthly 22 shoot (50 and 100 yds, on paper and silhouette targets). Although my 4/47 is regulated for a .303, I get excellent repeatability when dialing up and down for the two distances (15 clicks of elevation with CCI SV 40 grn). Very coarse adjustment I know, but it works for me.
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OK - i need a no8 so when one of you see one on the loose , let me know , please while i still have disposable income if you can ,
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It took me over 2 years and a lot of money (£1000) to find mine. It was worth the time and money.
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[/QUOTE I have a TZ4/47 on my Enfield No 8, with a Lyman 17A front globe. I can regularly outshoot most of the scoped rifles at our club's monthly 22 shoot (50 and 100 yds, on paper and silhouette targets). Although my 4/47 is regulated for a .303, I get excellent repeatability when dialing up and down for the two distances (15 clicks of elevation with CCI SV 40 grn). Very coarse adjustment I know, but it works for me. [/QUOTE]
I find zero at my minimum range and set the adjustable Zero scale to that and then it's 4 clicks per MOA above that.
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Yes, that is a really nice scope mount. I have again learned something from you guys...
That rail is rather more classy than my ATI rail. Are these readily available? What country of origin? The ATI rail I have on my sporter has never failed to hold, and is a no drill no tap as well. I never really cared for the appearance of it, however made do with it, and I was not building a pretty gun, rather was building a deer rifle that could tolerate being hoisted into a deer stand on the end of a hoist rope, without fear of it taking dings. I was also intending for it to be somewhat lighter than the No 4’s original furniture. Well, opps, this thread is about scoping a No 8... And that’s another thing... I have not ever heard of a “No 8” rifle. Perhaps I just glossed over the written listing of it, when searching for info on the two rifles I own. Very informative. |
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The No.8 is a training rifle that was designed in the late 1940's to be a cadet rifle or a top quality match rifle. The match rifle was dropped from production and the cadet rifle remained in service use until early this year. The cadet rifle could be altered to match specification by fitting Parker Hale target (5c) sights. I was lucky enough to find an original match model, made in 1950 and it has made small bore shooting a joy.
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Zed
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These two are both the cadet versions. One is made from a No5 receiver and the other from a No4 receiver. No8's were made from both.
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