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    Posted: November 12 2018 at 2:54pm
hi,
I’ve just purchased a 1942 stamped Lee Enfield rifle which has a number 93L8939.
I assume it’s a Canadian longbrance, but I am a bit confused as a web post puts this serial number around 1950?
Also the number on the receiver has been ground off.
Can any one help with identifying this rifle?
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that serial is definetly a longbranch range , and not an early one , longbranch did make rifles from 48-56 , my records show 1944 production was 58L to 84L , 42 was 1L to 20L so that is out , i show 1950 production in the 91L to 95L range that looks to be correct , 

for the rest of the story you need to post some really good photos , there is a question or two that jump to mind but ill leave those to the more knowledgeable among us , 
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here are a few pics that might help you.
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can anyone help with solving the question of dates and serial numbers not adding up?
Serial number is of 1950s and date stamped 1942?
Any ideas please?
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The year is fake. Plain and simple. Original Long Branch years are on the left sidewall of the receiver. Your rifle had the left sidewall ground down, quite roughly in spots. The "year" is stamped in a non-matching font and the metal work looks to have been refinished. It looks more of a case of someone trying to make it out to be something it is not.
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I agree with Bear43.
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that’s what I thought. Thanks for all you answers.
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That is.... if the 1942 denotes year. Could it be some other sequential number? Rack number?, club inventory number?



This Martini Enfield artillery carbine has a number that would suggest a date of 1909, perhaps when the carbine was made drill purpose?

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The rest of the story is that this carbine was accepted into New Zealand service in 1899 and was assigned inventory number 1909. The carbine subsequently was down graded to Reserve (2nd class) status and eventually made into a Drill Purpose arm.

Just saying that here is an instance where a number was mistaken as a date. Maybe something similar is going on with the No.4?
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Possible, sure. We cannot say for certain it is a year, nor can we say for certain much of anything else about that number. All we can go by is the serial number. But here is the thing, that number on that No 4 is stamped in an area where some manufacturers stamped the year it was made. That is a red flag to me.
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bear - am i not seeing 1949 ? the bolt was replaced 
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Odd that the left side has been scrubbed and no FTR marks. Also non  macthing bolt is a concern.
That needs inspecting for proper fit at the recoil lugs. The original bolt would be proofed to 18 ton's per square inch of pressure. I suggest if you bolt has not been proofed with the rifle; get it checked for fit and a new proof.
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A_square, I thought that at first as well, but that last number looks open at the top to me. It's not stamped all that well so that doesn't help.
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Numbers and markings on rifles, I find fascinating. It is like detective work trying to figure out the clues. Yes, I know, I should get out more!

I do remember reading something by Peter Laidler, so forgive me if I dont recall it correctly. I cant seem to find his posting right now, but it might help explain things. 

Often he would be given a batch of rifles to refurb. The whole nine yards including refinish to produce what would in effect be a brand new rifle.. 

Some  rifles (such as LongBranch) had very finely marked serial numbers done with an engraving pen on the receiver wall. Often the serial number would be obscured by the Suncorite when refinished, so it was practice to restamp the serial onto the left wrist socket.

The same six serials were used on the six rifles, but not necessarily applied to the exact same ones. So it is possible to have a Long Branch serial applied to a Maltby, or a Maltby serial applied to a Faz. This puts collectors into a spin trying to figure it out and fake is called!.

Perhaps this is how the 1950s serial got onto a 1942 rifle?
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If it's a 1942,it will more likely then not,have the rear release tab for the bolt. If it has the cutout toward the barrel knox,after 1942.
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good point on the longbranch but the maltby not so much , interesting thought line englishman - i know peter has been a wealth of knowledge and much life experience 
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