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    Posted: November 04 2016 at 4:52pm
After reading a bit I realize serial numbers don't always correspond to years. I just got a No.4 Mk1/2. (F) FTR.   /54. Serial number AX 17353. Numbers all match on wood, bolt, magazine etc.
Looks like made in 194?    Can't quite read it but could be a 3.   Do any of these clues help tell what year it was made for sure?
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It doesn't nail down the original year of manufacture for certain but it would most likely be 1943. It does indicate who the manufacturer was. That serial number indicates a rifle built by Maltby and of course then modified to Mk 2 during FTR by Fazakerley in 1954. Could you post some pictures of the left side of the receiver? Pictures of the whole rifle would be great too. We like our rifle porn Thumbs Up
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The bolt and magazine serial numbers match but the numbers on the bolt are too faint to photograph. The year made seems to be 194? The last number has been damaged but I don't think on purpose. The markings on the side of the receiver have some scratches. Looks like someone used steel wool or something to get a better virew of the markings. Any additional information about this gun would be most appreciated. I am brand new to Enfields and have just begun reading more about them. Thanks











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Very nice rifle. The last digit on the date probably ended up that way from a worn stamp. Seeing the wrist it is definitely a Maltby rifle and as I stated before it was FTR'd in 1954 by Fazakerley. That was probably when it was upgraded from a No 4 Mk 1 to a No 4 M1/2. The difference is the trigger. The No 4 Mk 1 has the trigger hung on the trigger guard while the No 4 Mk1/2 has the trigger hung on the receiver, or body. The real plus is that you have a decent rear sight instead of the simple wartime expedient sight. Whenever you get to shooting it let us know how she does. She certainly looks nice.
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Welcome to the forum.
For a first buy; the No4Mk1/2 is a good rifle to start the collection! You have the advantage of a WWII date of manufacture and the better trigger of the later No4Mk2. It should be accurate.

 My No4 Mk1/2 was my first Enfield; now there are 6 in the safe! they multiply quite quickly once you start.Thumbs Up
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Am I correct in assuming a No4Mk1 would be worth more than a No4Mk1/2 that has gone through a rebuild and has a better trigger? This is assuming both were both in the same general physical condition. Which model should be next on the list to look for?
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Not sure on the value issue, but the hung trigger is a hair, a short, fine one, better than the original.
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welcome , i see you have received all or more than what i would have to contribute for these but ill add a "nice rifle" to the list
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The No4Mk1/2 is much rarer than the No4Mk1; so generally slightly more expensive. At least that's the case in Europe. Not sure of the exact quantity as I don't have my book handy.
As to what comes next in the collection; that depends on what access you have to a good shooting range and also your budget. There really are so many variations.
The .22 training rifles are a lot of fun; especially if your club does not have the longer ranges for the .303
After getting my No4Mk1/2, the next rifles were .22 trainers; No8 and No2MkVI*. This is because I shoot military rifle competitions and the .22 class is a lot of fun (and cheap to shoot).
Next came a No1MkIII*, then an L39A1 in 7.62. However you probably won't find an L39 in the USA

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for the record - maltby was assigned the prefix AA-BZ in the 10000-19999 range , this one would fall in 1943 production year - that was my guess with bad eyes and your photo , 

not every FTR resulted in a mkI/2 and they were marked as such , im not seeing that in your photos but again old eyes could affect that , 

i think its a keeper 
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Curious, and not trying to hijack this post, but my 303 has matching numbers but is
No4 MK1 (F) FTR and has 1942 stamped near the thumb safety. Was just hoping to get a little history on this rifle and maybe a close to value. Thanks in advance cheers!
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Welcome from Phoenix Arizona.
Without some photos of the rifle including all the stampings on the receiver and butt socket there is not much we can tell you.
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welcome - yes again photos would help , it was definetly converted if marked FTR , but there is so much to know if we can "see" what you have , a wealth of knowledge here tto tapp into , 
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New to the Forum looking for some help I have an Enfield Action SN ERA 134830, can anyone tell me what this action is off from not sure if it's a P-14 or P-17 5 shot or 6 shot. Thanks
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i must correct my terminology above - not necessarily converted at FTR but most definitely upgraded and only photos would tell how , new barrels were common , if everything matches we might want to see them , 

if i am reading correctly i think the last poster has a mkI*** , the ERA marking would indicate issue in ireland i think , 
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ERA means it was made in Eddystone, Pennsylvania by Remington Arms.

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