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According to Ian Skennerton britrifles. One R like the one pictured from The Lee Enfield book indicates that an Enfield Armourer found rust inside the barrel.  If there is a R superimposed over another R just like the one found on the OP's rifle,the barrel is unsafe and used for drill purposes only.  According to Ian Skennerton. 
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I’ve made an appointment for next we to visit a gunsmith that specialises in military smle restorations, he wasn’t all that concerned with the double R stamp as long as the headspace and barrel looks good it will be fine, we all know there’s some absolutely junk smle's that shoot perfectly fine so I’ll have it check for peace of mind.

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I wish you all the best on your endeavors with the rifle. Please keep us informed as to your gunsmiths findings. You had mentioned that your friend had it for twenty years and never fired it and you have had it for twenty years and have never fired it.  The 1944 date on it makes the rifle 76 years old and it appears to have never been fired. Just curious as to why the sudden urge to,(for lack of a better term) pop the cherry on this unfired and untested weapon. 
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to be honest there’s no real urge, long story short I’ve had a serious back injury at work 5 operations later still not real good so to be honest I’m bored as bat sh*t sitting around home, I use to Shoot military service rifle comp many years back with another smle #1 mk3 that I owned and sold and thought I would look into going back to target shooting with my smle which I first started looking into the various markings on it and started to ask myself about possible safety concerns.

That’s my story dude, I thank all of your input cheers 🍻
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If your gunsmith says it's "good to go!" maybe he should take the first shot? 
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That’s a good suggestion HT.  
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ha,  I didn’t know the term “bats#*t” was used in the “Land Down Unda”....

Good luck with it!  That stock looks very nice.  

Another option is that if the rifle is truly unsafe, you could use the stock on a barreled action that is in good shape, then have your competion rifle.  

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Aussie slang boring as bat 🦇 sh*t 😝 at worst I’ll have it re barrelled, it’s no big deal it’s just such a beating piece #1 I love sharing it’s beauty #2 I love shooting 30 caliber nice smooth solid punch 🥊 hopefully I’ll have some luck with Mr Thomas Smith next week, I’ll keep you posted as to his findings.
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Are these markings made with a punch or electro pencil?  The back to back R marking in Skennerton appears as a standard font and not stylized like the Rust marking.  And supposed to be marked as such on the action body, butt and forend.  Who knows, maybe someone’s initials!  

Do let us know what the gunsmith finds.  Maybe he will volunteer to test fire it for you.  




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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Are these markings made with a punch or electro pencil?  The back to back R marking in Skennerton appears as a standard font and not stylized like the Rust marking.  


The "unsafe" R marking is very stylised as per the extract from the Armourers Manual.

Repeat of previous attachment :

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From another guide to markings :

Hand sketched illustrations



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2020 at 11:35am
I still think it's odd that this rifle has absolutely no signs of wear on the receiver bolt guide. That makes me think it's been refinished.
It's a good looking rifle; so let's see what comes from the safety inspection.
Please keep us informed.
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I'm not sure that any 'gunsmith' is likely to have the knowledge or equipment to confirm that the action is 'safe'.

A brief comment from Peter Laidler on the subject :

Oh, they looked very nice but what had gone on under the surface was a matter of conjecture. Would YOU fire one? I’ve been an Armourer for a couple of years and while I or your local gunsmith could examine one and give it a bright clean bill of health, would YOU trust it. NO, I wouldn’t either!

And how does he know this? An Engineering Graduate, Capt. Peter Laidler was, until his retirement, the senior Armourer in the British Army since serving his apprenticeship between January 1963 and 66. He was the senior technical Officer at the Small Arms School at Warminster. And oversaw the introduction of the current L59 series of DP rifle. Or he just guessed. Pick what you think suits!

Unless any markings have been 'cancelled' (barred out) or, the offending part replaced then I would take the markings as still applicable.
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Originally posted by The Armourer The Armourer wrote:


I'm not sure that any 'gunsmith' is likely to have the knowledge or equipment to confirm that the action is 'safe'.

A brief comment from Peter Laidler on the subject :

Oh, they looked very nice but what had gone on under the surface was a matter of conjecture. Would YOU fire one? I’ve been an Armourer for a couple of years and while I or your local gunsmith could examine one and give it a bright clean bill of health, would YOU trust it. NO, I wouldn’t either!

And how does he know this? An Engineering Graduate, Capt. Peter Laidler was, until his retirement, the senior Armourer in the British Army since serving his apprenticeship between January 1963 and 66. He was the senior technical Officer at the Small Arms School at Warminster. And oversaw the introduction of the current L59 series of DP rifle. Or he just guessed. Pick what you think suits!
Totally agree with your post. 
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I recently had a conversation with a retired army armourer who was saying that in the late 70's and early 80's they still had new unissued NO 4 rifles in the grease wrap. Some were taken out for ceremonial Parade use (ANZAC day etc) fitted with nice chromed bayonets, and polished to a high standard. BUT Written Off as DP rifles to prevent any squadie from being tempted to fire them or get then dirty. Same applied to parade rifles issued to cadet units. firing pins were often filed back/ removed just in case.
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