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    Posted: July 19 2014 at 2:01pm
I need some help identifying some of the markings on my No1 MarkIII.


1 "Crown over G.R" = Geroge Rex
2 "B" = ??? Dispersal rifle (i.e. made/assembled in a location other than Lithgow)
3 "1941" = Produced 1941
4 "SHT.L.E III" = SMLE N0.1 MkIII


1 "Crown over BM" = Lithgow NSW, Australia
2 "Broad Arrow inside U" = Union of South Africa
3 "10 65" = ???


1 "DOW" = ??? Possible restock by South African Police. Only found on stock
2 ??? Looks like 61 in a box with an arrow on top
3 "Broad Arrow inside U" = Union of South Africa


1 "V34" = ???


1 "P" = ???
2 "V34" = ???


Is the "U" on the bolt head of any significance?

Safety has III struck on it.



Serial Number - 3XXXX - All numbers. Matching.
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Bump. Thought someone would know something?
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Everyone is busy ragging each other on my thread.  I'm sure someone will be along soon with your answers!
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DiaryFarmer... you've virtually answered your own questions by adding the info below each pic. Most of what you show are simple inspectors individual stampings.

For British Enfield's, my knowledge is with the MLM, MLE, CLLM, CLLE, SMLE No1 Mk1, Mk3, Mk3*... but for the latter---> ends with the armistice of 1918. The basic markings do not change though.

The 'III' marking upon the safety lever indicates that it is the 3rd variation... used on the Mk3 & Mk3*.

The 'U' stamping upon the bolt head indicates that that particular bolt heads specifications differ from that of the standard. It may be a replacement for the original in connection to increased headspace due to wear?
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One of the hardest things to grasp about the essential "Britishness" of the Lee Enfields is the No/Mark/* nomenclature that was used.

Every time some darned little Fuzzy-Wuzzy worked it out we changed it too, just for spite!Sick
Because of this its almost an absorbed, rather than learned process.

Just to make it even more confusing each part within a particular item had its own No, mark & so on. Because of this its quite likely you'll find a No4 Rifle with a No2 sight & a Mk3 cocking piece. It can be loaded from No1,2,3,or 4 Chargers with Mk 6, 7, 7z ammo, all in .303 British.Confused

The Rifle No1 was a "Millie" (spelt MLE), but the No1 MKIII was a SMLE (pronounced Smellie), but the rifle No 4 was not, just to confuse you more. The short magazine was the same length as the long one, but the rifles taking them were shorter & longer.Wacko

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I say shamu... care for a stroll in the Sahara ole chap! ;-)
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Only mad dogs & Englishmen go out in the midday sun
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DairyFarmer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2014 at 11:42am
Thanks guys. Just by looking at a lot of pictures of other LE's I must say that I am very fortunate to have so few markings on mine and the ones that are there were done neatly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Canuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2014 at 12:17pm
Hoadie, "Mad dogs and Englishmen', I think was the name of a Joe Cocker album (1970)? We are roughly the same age (57), you must remember that? The original song was performed for the first time in 1931.
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Noel Coward's version, (the original).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2YvYiWtovM
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Nice looking rifle.
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Canuck:
I was 59 on the 7th. Yes, I remember the album...I think my best bud has it on vinyl as well.
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Happy Birthday Hoadie!

Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Canuck:
I was 59 on the 7th. Yes, I remember the album...I think my best bud has it on vinyl as well.
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Wow.... you ole buzzard! happy belated ole chap!
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2 "B" = ??? Dispersal rifle (i.e. made/assembled in a location other than Lithgow)
3 "1941" = Produced 1941
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for clarity - here as its not been made in my mind , 
B= BSA 

that date might - be a dispersal , and yes the BSAs were the dispersals , only mk III*s being made in england at the time - long way from lithgow , so yes --- "other than lithgow" 

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