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    Posted: October 25 2019 at 3:22am
Hi everyone . I am french and excuse me if my english isn't very good . I herited from my grandfather a rifle who served in the first war and after .The problem is this rifle is equipped with a lee metford barrel . Has evrey one ever seen that . Thanks . 
Ps . I don't know if is possible to dend you a picture . 
The riffle is marked . GR  1910  SHT LE   III * / N°  M33016
The barrel are 33" length ande marked 1886 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SW28fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2019 at 9:49pm
That is a new one on me, perhaps a target rifle built on a SMLE action but who, why or When I have no Idea.   I have a Lebel 1886/93 and a MAS 36 & MAS 45 in my collection
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Thanks for response . The rifle is from BSA , there is a B between GR and the date 1910 . A friend said me perhaps is a special order commercial version . Is it possible ? Cdt . Jean 
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Its quite possible.
Metford rifling was for black powder rounds, One of the reasons for switching to Lee Enfield rifling was because of the change to Cordite as a propellant.
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i think you will find this predates WWI but that is only my guess without seeing it , it is indeed black powder if a metford barrel , and simon or terry lee can speak to these far better than i , we would love to see it if that works out , 
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I'm not sure. BSA offered a choice of Metford or Enfield pattern rifling well into the 1920's. This is from a repro. of a 1923 (I think) catalog.



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It sounds like Short Magazine Lee Enfield receiver mounted with a non standard barrel.

My first though was that it might be fitted with a long Lee barrel, however, long Lee barrel has a length of only 30-1/4 inches, not 33.

So it would be interesting to see what Grandpa had there. A custom target rifle? You mention a Metford barrel.

Metford rifling was an existing design of rifling that was popular with the Victorian era target shooting community. It was renowned for accuracy and easy clean up with black powder. 
The Mk.I Lee Metford was basically a design of a Lee action mounting a Metford target style barrel. Much heavier than any subsequent Lee Metford/Enfield series of rifles. 

Cordite burnt hot and eroded the throat.

Enfield style rifling was the solution, deeply cut square shoulder grooves. The barrel throat still eroded with the cordite propellant, but it held out longer for more rounds before needing to be changed.

Enfield rifling was an existing in house design originally developed for the Gatling gun.

A Sht.LE with a Metford barrel would have promise as a shooter.

Metford rifling has seven grooves, Enfield has five.


Picture would get you more answers.

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Welcome to the forum Jano9133. Good to see another member in France!
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Sounds like an interesting rifle; looking forward to seeing some photos.
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1886 dated barrel, isn’t that early for the Lee Medford?  That’s early for a .303.  
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  Thank you for all your answers . I will try to put pictures . Thks
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its an early mk I if im reading right , sported , we need some close shots of the bolt to be certain what they changed besides the stock alterations and such , should be a fun sporter , 
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Whatever it is, it appears to be based on a 1940 dated Dispersal Rifle.  Badly stamped 4 looks like a 1.  They didn't make the SMLE Mk III* in 1910!
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Like terrylee said, that receiver is a 1940 BSA dispersal.
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The barrel is indeed a custom installation, but I dont that it think it is British barrel. I see no Brit proof marks.

I dont recognise the reinforce or nocks form, so I cannot hazzard a guess as to what rifle from which it was taken. Perhaps somebody will recognise the markings?

The 1886 mark has similar characters to the 1888 mark on a Mauser 71/84 I used to have.

We do not know if it chambered in 303 British. It might be chambered in some other caliber. 

A chamber cast would tell us a lot.

The fore stock has a problem where it fits up to the receiver at the back. I see a gap between wood and metal where there should be no gap. Not sure as to what is going on there.

But an interesting rifle for sure. Somebody spent time and effort modifying it.
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