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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Canuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2019 at 10:18am
I figure that gap in the fore end where it should meet the metal might be from shrinkage.
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Only if somebody washed it on hot and put it in the dryer on high heat. That looks to be 1/8 inch gap or more. I fore see problems with bedding and recoil splitting the stock.

I note that there is also no reinforcing cross pin there either, which would suggest to me that the fore arm was not made by sporting a factory one.
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Originally posted by englishman_ca englishman_ca wrote:

The barrel is indeed a custom installation, but I dont that it think it is British barrel. I see no Brit proof marks.


The "KF3092" and the "1886" 'fonts' do not look like UK fonts that I am familiar with - they are more typical of Mainland European fonts - I would suggest that Germany would be a strong contender.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote britrifles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2019 at 5:28pm
1886 it cannot be .303, unless it was rechambered.  

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thanks at all . I well understand why this rifle is 1940 in place 1910 . My grand father was in the french 2eme RIC while the first and second world war . He fought in North africa , and italia . For the barrel i always search , but i hope to find because there are not to many rifle who are an 80cm or 33" long . Perhaps a britt martini henry or a french lebel ? Cdt 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pukka Bundook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2019 at 5:33am
To me, Simon is closest on the barrel in his post at bottom of previous page.
The style of numbering seems to fit that seen on the German 71/84 barrel, and that barrel was longer than the  Metford or Long Lee.
Also, the octagonal breech -section or knox-form is similar to this rifle.
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Thanks all guys who help me . I am find , the barrel is a Kropatschek 86/91 ,in  8X60R . Why , i would never know . Cdt . 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2019 at 5:34am
The rifle doesn't appear to have any sight's on it, which would make it difficult to shoot. It does not make sense to fit such an old barrel to rifle as good as the Lee Enfield. No obvious proof marks on the barrel etc.
Therefore I'm wondering if this is:
1) maybe a conversion for film prop or TV?
2) possibly wartime homemade from two damaged rifle for hunting or resistance.
(The Nazis collected all firearms from the French except shotguns which had to be handed in to the local Mayor's office.)
However, where would you get a 1940 dispesal Enfield? Dunkirk pick up? Were dispersal rifles made prior to Dunkirk?
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Were dispersal rifles made prior to Dunkirk?


Up until 1940, BSA made normal high-quality No1 MkIII* on limited military contracts, marked with the usual Crown and BSA&Co, as well as identical rifles just marked "BSA&Co" for commercial sale and export.

With the invasion scare, the Ministry of Supply ordered BSA to make rifles out of whatever parts it could get together. Hence the rifles were made of mixtures of commercial and military parts, mixed walnut and beech wood (or all-beech), later on No4 butts and firing pin/cocking pieces. A second wave of production in 1945 even used recycled and re-dated receivers.
About the same time the emergency rifle production was started, BSA was ordered to disperse its many Birmingham factories away from the bomb-target central area, and also to increase war production by diluting experienced staff with war staff. BSA was a huge engineering group, and this "Dispersal" programme led to 70 separate factories being set up, moved and/or expanded. Rifle production involved several of these factories (both No1s and No4s), and this type of "all available parts" No1 has become known as a "Dispersal rifle". Technically, even the No4s were Dispersals, as well as motorbikes, bicycles, aircraft parts, machine guns and heavy weaponry...
BSA marked these rifles with just the first "B" of BSA&Co. Presumably this was to dissociate the company from these slightly less-than top quality peacetime rifles!
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Thank you for the explanation.
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I would not assume it is a .303.  I’d suggest making a chamber cast.  Even then, I might be reluctant to shoot it.  It has a story, but it may be lost to time.  
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hi . I think to made a molding off chamber by curiosity , but i don't know used this rifle . It's a part off my family history . My grandfather used it in the ww2 in africa . I don't know why he modified this riffle with this barrel maybe it was more precise ?. Maybe after war , he removed the sight to go hunting ? I thank you all for my research . Cordialy . ClapClap
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