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    Posted: November 14 2021 at 6:38am
A while back gun scribe Ed Harris wrote piece by this title for one of the annual soft cover gun books. To wit, he proffered that a somewhat universal load existed for the granddaddy military rounds....7.62 NATO, .30-40 Krag, .30-06, 8x57, 7.62x54r and of course  the .303.

Ed's experimentation led him to use 13 grains of Red Dot, mainly because he a lot of it on hand, I think he said. Other pistol/shotgun powders have since been added, as I understand it.

About 6 months or so I started using said charge with a well-worn Lee .312/185 gr . Sadly (for me) this mold was bought off a friend who'd used it for 2 decades to feed his 7.7 Arisaka. Now, those replacement molds appear to be on eternal backorder.

The Load duplicates the old deer loading of the .32-40 Winchester, according to Ed. 

Regardless of current availability,  it is indeed a winner, in my book. Quite accurate for my eyes at 100 yds.

Any of the brethren use this combo?
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i have lots of red dot and clays but ive yet to find any published data on using shotgun/pistol powders for rifle calibers , i have suspected pressure issues so please post the data that supports this , 

i do use a bit over 13 grains in my shotgun loads 
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Thanks for responding A square.

I believe the article originally appeared in the 10th edition of Handloader's Digest (circa '94). He has apparently updated it elsewhere to add a few more shotgun powders (2400, Unique and Bullseye). Iff'n I had the computer smarts of my granddaughter I could send it to you. But thankfully a Google search found it in a plethora of other sites and forums. 

C. E. "Ed" Harris wrote regularly for the American Rifleman in the 1970s and 80s. He has currently retired to unoccupied West Virginia, but still makes appearances in numerous firearms and reloading forums. 
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The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook (4th Ed.) does show pistol/shot gun powder loads in rifle cartridges.  

.308 Win:

Red Dot 14 grains max with 115 gr bullet
Unique  15 grains max with 170 - 180 gr bullet

.303 British

Unique 16 grains max with 180 gr bullet

NOTE THESE ARE FOR CAST BULLETS ONLY.  

Ed’s article on “The Load” says Red Dot can be used with both cast and jacketed. 


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Brit, I  agree that these are for cast only. I should have mentioned that. I did make the mistake of trying a FMJ once in my .308 Mauser. About 5000 raps later with a brass rod and wood mallet it finally popped out from the chamber. Lessons learned department. My 30 year + old Lee .312 diameter, 185 grain mold is about ready for the boneyard. Wobbles all over. Am (and have been) on the hunt for a new one. Have used the both the Lyman .314/115 gr and the Accurate Molds 31-134D with joy also.... but generally with a light charge of Unique in my No4 Maltby. The 115 grainer more less shoots at .32-20 performance levels.
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good to know - i had cone a little looking for my 4570 hoping to find a red dot/clays load a few years back , mostly because i wanted to use the same powders in all of my cowboy reloading , i did not find the recommendations at that point - it was not a thorough search tho , i would really like to limit that to a single powder , particularly with the limited availability recently , if anyone has that id love to hear of it , i do shoot cast bullets from that rifle and always will , 
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I found an online copy of the original article. In it, Ed Harris did use this 13 grain Red Dot load in the .45-70 with satisfactory results.  However he cautions this load was for more modern rifles like the Marlin 1895 and presumedly the Ruger No. 1 & Browning M1886. For Trapdoors he recommended lowering the charge to 12 grains, IIRC.
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thanks - i shoot a modern made sharps rifle , im pretty sure it will handle modern loads but im interested in the traditional trajectory with heavy lead cast for my purposes , ill check into it , 
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