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    Posted: January 08 2021 at 5:57am
Gents,
Tried the above rifle at 200 yards from a light rest.  (elbows and forward hand rest)
Just 5 shots with some .311" 180 gr bullets. No time to play, just wanted to try it out.
5 shots were a bit spread with the open Vee sights.  spread was 2 3/4" by 5  3/8".
 
No warm up shots and from a clean barrel.  Found front sight was loose afterwards!  LOL.
 
How does this sound for a starter? (group size that is.)
No pics yet, as I don't know how to get them off the phone onto the computer...that's my wife's job!  Smile
 
Rifle was shooting right, but that can be corrected easily enough.
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Sounds like it has potential. Looks nice too. The M91's are so pretty nice. Definitely much nicer than the 91/30's the Ruskies were churning out later. Plus, being a Finn tends to mean a bit nicer overall anyway.
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Good morning Bear,
 
Must say, I am concerned for your country at present!   Election fraud and all...
 
If I'd used the SR 200 target, with it's Huge ten -ring, it seems all would have been in the ten easily enough, ( with POI correction!) but we normally shoot the B -17 target, and the  X  ring is 1"    The ten ring 1 7/8"   and 9 ring 3 7/8"
(as opposed to the X being 1.35"   ten being 3.35" and 9 being 6.35" on the SR200 target)
 
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Richard, the NRA SR Target 10 ring is actually 7 inches, the X ring is 3 inches.  This target is used for military rifle type matches (NRA and CMP) at 200 and 300 yards.  

It’s the 100 yard reduced SR target (SR-1) that has a 3.35 inch 10 ring and 1.35 inch X ring. 

The 200 yard stage of CMP and NRA Hipower and modern Service Rifle matches are shot standing offhand slow fire and also sitting rapid fire.  Hence, the large score rings.  At 300 yards, this same target is at 300 yards for prone rapid fire, so the 7 inch 10 ring is reduced to just over 2 MOA at that distance (X ring is 1 MOA).  Prone slow fire is at 600 yards on the MR Target.

Your group on the Mosin at 200 yards is very good, under 3 MOA and would be within the 7 inch 10 ring on the SR target.  

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Geoff,
 
Thank you for the explanation on How the target is shot.  (O-H slow and sitting rapid)
That makes a great deal of difference!
The clutter of life seems to prevent me shooting much, and when I do it is usually rather chaotic.
 
When I re-read what I'd written above, I see I had copied the wrong part, and as you say, copied the 100 yd reduced range target!
Very sorry for making work for you correcting my post.
I will try and apply myself better in the future!
 
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No trouble at all Richard!  Glad you got out with this old rifle.

Once the weather warms up, I hope you get out and shoot in the Lee Enfield Forum Virtual Match.  

I chose the SR target for our Virtual match as I think it will encourage members to work at shooting a “clean” score (all in the 10 ring) which is well within the capability of the Lee Enfield.  It also gives us a yard stick to compare with the CMP Vintage Military Match published scores which includes many different bolt action military service rifles.  The third reason is that the SR target is the only 200 yard target overlay available at the range I shoot at.  

The expectation is that most will be able to shoot within the 10 ring with a high X ring count in the Unlimited class (off the bench with a scope).  If we want to make this class more challenging, we can change the target to the SR-31 (MR 600 yard target reduced to 100 yards).  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2021 at 4:36pm
i think it a very nice looking rifle - while i know nearly nothing of these i do appreciate a great looking rifle , congrats 
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Pleased you like it A-Square.
In the pictures, it looks almost camouflaged  with the way the wood grain is!  :-)
1897 Czarist receiver, re-barreled by Tikka in 1942.  Well used but V good bore.
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Good shooting for 200 yards.  Clap  If it was rebarrelled by Tikka it might have a 0.3095" bore diameter.  Watch for signs of over-pressure.  The link below is a good resource for the Finnish M91.

I have a M39 (Sako) and a M91/30 (Tula).  Great shooters and a lot of fun.  Have taken a couple whitetail deer with the M39.
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Good morning Charlie,
I know you from another site or two!  :-)
 
I Will post a pic or two, but am useless at computer stuff myself.   (Getting 'em off the phone that is!)
 
This one is OK pressure-wise, and as you say, the books say .3095"   It is  a deal larger in the bore than my old M 91/24 Lotta rifle though.
Years ago, I scoped a Tikka M 91-30, back when we didn't know any better!  I bought the rifle at auction for $40. 00!  Barrel as new. Got a few deer with it.
 
Shot it for a start with open sights.
Tried it at 550 yards, resting elbows on truck hood.
Set up a packer wheel off a seed drill
Set sights on 500 metres and let fly.
Heard the first shot hit.  Second and third I didn't hear but saw packer move a bit.
Went to see.    All 3 in 4 1/4".  This with the standard open sights.  Should have kept it!
 
 
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Now, THAT is awesome shooting!  
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The TIKKA rifles are well done re-dos and shoot well. Hard to tell from the picture but does it have the stacked front sight ?


Thanks for sharing.

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MJ,
Not sure what a stacked fore-sight is.
This one has the blade dovetailed into the base, no extra parts, so maybe not stacked?
You have some fine rifles there!
Is lower one a M 28-30?..............Seems to be!
Thatvis One rifle I'd Really like!   Never even Seen one up here!
 
I do have an old M 24, "Lotta" rifle, and it will shoot.
Very worn and battle scarred.
Belonged to Nurmo Civil Guard.    They got hammered pretty bad at Ayrappa Church towards the end of the Winter War.
Is your rifle marked with a Civil Guard number?
If so, Can you share it?
 
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Richard.
 
 
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I'll have a look if we ever get another range day here. Like the Finn rifles and had a friend years ago (RIP) who gave me many history lessons and the included the fight at the church.

The 28/30 is not D market and has a .308" bore and came from my late friend. An amazing built rifle with the complex bedding.

Some of my Finn's.


I had to let four go due to health costs '39 through '43 well war used but perfect bores. Much Regret there.

I will check the M91 as I said. It came with and early ring lock bayonet too. NO import marking, he lived up by the Border before I met him.
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Lovely rifles MJ,
I can appreciate how hard it was to let any of them go!
 
Reason I asked about Civil Guard numbers, is that a friend Martti on the other channel, can quite often find the history for an individual Civil Guard marked rifle.   His research is not expansive, and Can be Very interesting!
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Stacked front sight.


Compulsory Enfield photo.


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