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devrep 
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terrylee
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Posted: November 21 2020 at 2:29am |
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Yes, a lot of Enfields went to South Africa. Some went into storage, but most were used. My palls and I carried them!
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Posted: November 20 2020 at 7:48am |
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roger. thanks.
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Posted: November 20 2020 at 7:43am |
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A lot of Enfields went to South Africa, mainly they went into storage for the military, sat there for years & were then sold off to the U.S. civilian market.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted: November 19 2020 at 5:00pm |
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that bayonet with the wood scales is something someone made from a P1888 bayonet and was never intended for either the mkI , III or the no4 , it predates all of them to the long lees , im not sure but suspect it might qualify as "trench art" or service application of need , someone's fighting knife ,
might have south african history to the earlier or boer wars tho , could actually have some value in those
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Posted: November 19 2020 at 4:49pm |
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cool. hey the mark on my rifle that says it was in south africa, does that mean the south african military used it or was that a civilian import mark or something? thanks.
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Posted: November 19 2020 at 4:18pm |
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As far as I know, they were used by the South African army and police force and to some extent, still are. The blade was made by Armscor and utilized an Uzi bayonet blade...
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Posted: November 19 2020 at 4:13pm |
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 it reminds me of a knife I have that was made in England between 1830 and 1860. |
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Posted: September 06 2020 at 8:33am |
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Thanks for the tips!
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Posted: September 05 2020 at 6:51pm |
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there were both red and black - i had both - someone out there has what i had today tho ..........they were both bakelite , much like the two no7 bayos some are easier to find than others , both would be correct for the 43 era
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Posted: September 05 2020 at 10:49am |
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I never heard of a red one. Black sounds like the "Bakelite" mentioned earlier.
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Posted: September 04 2020 at 6:55pm |
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yes the no4 mk2 is correct , the web sling is correct , the leather would predate the use but could be home guard , the brass and plastc oilers would have been in use in 43 and yes you need the pull through with the =weight neatly tucked in the hole provided in the lower part of the trap ,
the longbranch rifles were no4s the aussies made no 1 rifles , ill leave the SA to others more knowledgeable in that are , NZ would have used what the brits and aussies produced ,
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Posted: September 04 2020 at 3:03pm |
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The little string is the pull through. It goes in last behind the oiler.
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Posted: September 04 2020 at 12:30pm |
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By "pull-through" do you mean the little string?
Also, the store (its a militaria shop) shows a red oiler and a black oiler. Since its 3 euro a pop, I'll just buy two :D! I'm not planning on putting oil in them, it's just for you know, making the gun "complete". If it doesn't bother you, care to explain what is supposed to go in the butt stock? |
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Posted: September 04 2020 at 12:20pm |
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Welcome aboard. Goosic & I were both posting at the same time & overlapped!  Any bayonet type for a No4 Rifle will fit all other No4 rifles ,Mk1, Mk1* Mk1/2 or Mk1/3. Be aware though, that each item will have its own nomenclature, so makes sure its for a No4 Rifle, whatever mark of bayonet it is. No9Mk1 is the most "usual" one for example! Bayonets for the No5 "Jungle Carbine" or for the earlier No1 rifles will not. The easiest way to tell is to look at he the fitting. They are quite distinctly different. The one you want has a barrel socket. The ones with actual handles are (for the most part) for the earlier No1 rifles. Ones with a large ring at the cross guard are for the No5 (again for the most part.) I apologize for all the "for the most part" comments but its because there is one oddball bayonet that has both a handle & a ring on the cross guard. Its the expensive, rare & impractical "No7 Mk1 L" with the swiveling pommel! Top, No7Mk1L, Bottom more likely No9Mk1(blade) "spike" bayonets in several marks will also fit. The khaki (tan) web "frog" will be the more correct of the options, my green ones are for a later period in the '50's.  Canvas slings would be normal issue, leather was an earlier type for the No1 rifles again. Oil bottles would be more by date than country. Early would be brass, middle black "bakelite " plastic & late clear, modern plastic. You also need a "pull through" it takes up the rest of the space in the butt trap! If you intend to actually put oil in them avoid the black Bakelite. They all seem to have cracks & leak!
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Posted: September 04 2020 at 12:08pm |
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OK, I've read your messages and I really appreciate the responses! Good to know and I'll place an order some time next week :D! I could actually pick up a brass one!
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