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    Posted: October 02 2020 at 9:51am
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They're for the Boys anti-tank rifle a 55 cal magnum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.55_Boys
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Honkytonk -- Yep, I got the joke. I thought it was pretty good that you calculated it out to three decimal places. LOLLOL

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Ah yes! The famous "3.7" Enfield, Flanged & Belted Magnum", usually reserved for hunting "Giant Gramplepooposes" on the famous "“Great Grey-Green, Greasy Limpopo River”! Thuddy-ought-six shown for comparison.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 1:08pm
That group makes it a great hunting rifle; good for putting meat on the table.
Many of these rifles were converted over the years. Not all of them can be returned to original military spec', and not all of them need to be.
It would not be worthwhile trying to restore it; just enjoy it as is; on the range or hunting.
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klr... my calibre joke was in reference to the comment on "if it's a 12" group, appalling!" from another poster. Of course it wasn't. The 100 yard grouping your Sporter shots is a tribute to your rifle and your marksmanship. I speak only for myself... please be a regular poster as you obviously appreciate Enfields. I had a rocky start on this forum a few years ago... so many good people and so much knowledge!
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No offense taken. 

For reference, those holes are .312." LOL  Using my dial calipers and good eye I measured. 0.890" for that group.
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Also, if it was a 12" square, the hole, by my calculations, would have been made by a 3.732" Calibre.
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Please don't get me wrong! I own and love several Sporters! I was saying your original asking price is what we around here would pay for a Sporters with scope, etc. A sporter with no aftermarket options don't sell for much here. And for some reason, Savage L-E's don't seem to sell for what their worth. Being Canada, Long Branch and English made ones sell for more. Again, no disrespect to your rifle!
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Originally posted by klr klr wrote:

The listing included the magazine. I wouldn't sell the rifle without it.

The starting price isn't the same as the selling price. I figured I'd settle for somewhere around $250. At that price it compares favorably to the cheap factory rifles I've handled.  Except the Enfield is all wood and steel and the action is smooth and the trigger is crisp. It's also neat to hunt with a rifle that Savage built here in the States and then traveled to England to fight in WWII.

Here's a group I shot this week at 100 yds:



So I was pricing it as a functional hunting rifle with an interesting history.

But I get what you're saying - it's just a crappy chopped-up milsurp to most people.

Thanks for your input, guys.  Even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear, it helps me decide what to do with it.


If that is a 1" square, that's pretty good. If it a 12" square its appalling.

Some reference to size is helpful.

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The listing included the magazine. I wouldn't sell the rifle without it.

The starting price isn't the same as the selling price. I figured I'd settle for somewhere around $250. At that price it compares favorably to the cheap factory rifles I've handled.  Except the Enfield is all wood and steel and the action is smooth and the trigger is crisp. It's also neat to hunt with a rifle that Savage built here in the States and then traveled to England to fight in WWII.

Here's a group I shot this week at 100 yds:



So I was pricing it as a functional hunting rifle with an interesting history.

But I get what you're saying - it's just a crappy chopped-up milsurp to most people.

Thanks for your input, guys.  Even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear, it helps me decide what to do with it.

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I would say, with all due respect, the magazine is the highlight of the Sporter. Without it and the accessories you would keep, around where I live, $100 rifle. Enfield people I know get leery when the charger bridge is gone. 
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klr I cannot vouch for others but one of the main reasons I did not even make an offer is because I currently ran out of space in my little safe (I live in an apartment). I have parts kits I decided they look better right now in their boxes as they take much less space and are easier to store.
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The accuracy between the two variants are marginal with the 7.62x51mm edging out the .303 only in the multitudes of cartridge options including specific match loads designed solely around the 7.62mm as opposed to a few choice options made available for the 303 cartridge. I have a match grade No4Mk1* Long Branch still chambered in the original .303B. It is fed one specific handload and at 100 yards has the same MOA as my Custom M700P in .308. At 200 yards and farther,the .308 shows a marked improvement over the 303.
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

Quite the shame in my opinion.  Someone who has the necessary skills and talents to make modifications using only what he has available and to do so with astounding proficiency is becoming a lost art. And yet, those modified items will more often than not be deemed,"worthless" because it is not a pedigree pony cut from the herd like the venerable L39/42A1. Interestingly enough. There are those who can and will quote standards and procedures from ages ago not having the will and fortitude to step off that path and venture into the unknown. Those that do make their own path are the ones who are shunned the most and are looked down upon. 

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...and just try selling something you've modified.  You'll get offered a pittance and have to drive halfway across the country to get rid of it. Wink LOL LOL LOL

But seriously, interesting discussion. Are the 308 versions more accurate than the 303? 
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Quite the shame in my opinion.  Someone who has the necessary skills and talents to make modifications using only what he has available and to do so with astounding proficiency is becoming a lost art. And yet, those modified items will more often than not be deemed,"worthless" because it is not a pedigree pony cut from the herd like the venerable L39/42A1. Interestingly enough. There are those who can and will quote standards and procedures from ages ago not having the will and fortitude to step off that path and venture into the unknown. Those that do make their own path are the ones who are shunned the most and are looked down upon. 
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