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    Posted: October 28 2020 at 6:13pm
Okay. I can't see a serial number but the back of the leaf is stamped WA above the numbers 43.

There is something in the stock just next to the nose piece but i can't make heads or tails of what it is.
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Logically they are dates, but why they are there could be for a myriad of reasons.

One reason could be that :
Every year a percentage (10% or 20% ?) were taken out of the armoury / stores and fully checked, then marked to show they had been inspected, then returned to stores. Could this be the date(s) it was inspected ?

If it was due to having a 'refurb' or major parts parts replaced there would be a marking (such as FTR) alongside the date. (Or, in the case of India FR)


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Originally posted by Potato749 Potato749 wrote:

Also, does anybody know what the 2/45 and 10/54 stamped into the stock mean? Are these arsenal refurb dates?


Dates maybe, though that might be too straight forward as far as enfields are concerned  lol
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And the forearm number *should* be on the outside of the forearm just behind the nosecap, if replaced by an armorer. By the way, I do have an OA-marked sight ear. PM me with your address if you want it, say shipping and a five for it.
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no , the number was generally on the back of the ladder of the sight , if the sight got changed out along the way it may not be there 
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Also, does anybody know what the 2/45 and 10/54 stamped into the stock mean? Are these arsenal refurb dates?
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Okay. I assume you have to disassemble to check the number on the forearm. I don't see a number on the rear sight anywhere. Could it require some of the wood to be removed to see it?
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Originally posted by Potato749 Potato749 wrote:

So basically the bolt could only be replaced by an armorer?

Very very few parts on a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 are interchangeable without ''work'.

They were one of the last 'Victorian engineering' hand built rifles and parts were FITTED (fitted as in adjusted to fit each rifle).

This is why there are (should be) 6 parts of the rifle that should have all matching numbers. Each of these parts affects the functionality of the rifle and they are always kept together if the rifle is 'worked on'.

Nose piece
Forend
Rear sight bed / leaf
Barrel
Bolt 
Action

Bolts are very specific and you cannot just take any bolt and 'plug & play'. It is imperative that the two locking lugs on the bolt bear evenly with the two locking lugs in the action. It is these that are taking the 'tons' of pressure / recoil and if they are not evenly mated then one lug can take the recoil, and possibly shear off and then you have a bolt coming out the back of the rifle, at a fair rate of knots, heading straght for your head.

Bolts can be fitted correctly if you know what you are doing - its not that difficult you just need to have 'read the manual'.






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So basically the bolt could only be replaced by an armorer?
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to add to what shamu mentioned the M1917 is similarly different in cartridge to the P1914 - yes they look alike at first glance but no they are not , 

the P1914 in addition to being made in 303 british was made in commonwealth tradition as 'non-interchangeable' they are fitted as the no1 mkIII* is individually with bolt mated to the receiver , the M1917 was to be interchangeable per contract , although winchester had many issues with that and the stocks for the M1917 are not interchangeable with the P1914 
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They are completely different in almost every respect.
The Mi917 is usually chambered for "thuddy-ought-six" & the No1 MkIII for .Free Oh Free British.
The M1917 is a Mauser action, the No 1 Mk III is an Enfield action.
The M1917 is a one piece stock, the No1 MkIII is a 2-piece stock.
Pretty much nothing interchanges!
There is an over all similarity but its superficial, the full length wood is common to both but not interchangeably.


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I was going to say the #3 Mk 1 looks like the 1917 I have. Are they really  that different or is it just a naming thing between the British and Americans?
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Originally posted by Potato749 Potato749 wrote:

Well i appreciate the education. I thought looking at the gun something was missing and as soon as someone mentioned the ears protecting the sight it all clicked.

on that happy note here is a very small education on the difference between the no1 mkIII* top photo bottom  rifle , and the no3 mkI* bottom photo bottom rifle 







all of the other rifles shown are different than the two called out and cited although the two top ones in the bottom photo are M1917s they are different in manufacturer and a couple other very subtle ways 
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Glad we got that sorted. No worries.

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I looked and there is a screw in that hole tightened to something.
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Originally posted by Potato749 Potato749 wrote:

Unless they put the screw back in after they took the ears off I don't.

I will check to see if I have a spare set of those as well, I'll be back in town Tuesday and can look then. There are two  circular holes in the bottom of the forend, one just behind the outer barrel band and one about halfway between the outer band and the trigger guard. If the screw and bolt are still there, they'll be visible in the second, rearmost hole.
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