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    Posted: April 20 2012 at 11:52am
It is the one on the far left, This is the only picture I have at the moment.
I have yet to see one like it so if anyone could tell me any information on it, it would be much appreciated. It is a Mk5 no2




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You seem to have a #5 Mk1, also known as a "Jungle Carbine", but there are a few things wrong, or not shown clearly in the picture.

The slip on butt pad hides the actual butt of the rifle, it should have a metal rim surrounding a hard black rubber butt pad of reduced dimensions. Unfortunately the #5s had a reputation for kicking hard & so a lot of them had additional padding added to the butt to make them more comfortable.

The shorter barrel & combination front sight/flash hider are also a #5 feature as no other model was fitted with such a device, & the hole in the bolt knob is also a feature (but not a unique one) of the #5.

Essentially the #5 was an attempt to make a lighter, handier version of the #4 rifle. To do this there were several things done to reduce weight & bulk. They were very popular rifles for a while & are quite collectable if they are 100% original, but this meant many copies, homages & outright fakes were made as well. Here's a pic of a #4 so you can compare the features & see where wood & metal were removed for the #5.


Something does not look correct about the front end of the stock, but from the angle of the picture it is hard to tell. Take a look in the links section lower down the forum & there are connections to several historical information sites that have a lot more detail. Particularly look for the various lightening cuts in the barrel & receiver as most of the fakes & copies don't have these cuts. As Allan de enfield said in the other thread there never was a #5 Mk2, just a Mk1, there was a #4 Mk2, but it looked like the picture above with wood all the way up the barrel. Where did you get the #5Mk2 information from, maybe it was re-stamped, which would indicate a conversion as well?

Even if you have a replica, copy, homage, or forgery it might still make a very nice hunting rifle perfectly capable of taking down anything on the continent. The scope & its mount are an aftermarket add on, the original had iron sights only.
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shamu has given you most everything i could offer without better photos ,
 
 
"Where did you get the #5Mk2 information from, maybe it was re-stamped, which would indicate a conversion as well?"
 
this is the next thing that crossed my mind as well - perhaps a gibbs rifle , they got creative in their markings , i think an attempt at honesty actually

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The actual gun is at my dads. I am 100% sure it is a mk5, So it must be a no1. It also looks as if the front end of the stock was cut down. My dad got the rifle from his grandmother who bought it brand new i do believe, my father said it has looked exactly as is since he was 14, and he is now 47
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Under the shoulder pad there is an indention in the middle and  it looks as if there was a metal plate over it or something. 
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The year is also 1947
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47 would be good for a no5 , but if you are certain its marked as a mk5 - it has to be something someone made out of a no4 rifle ,
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And why is this? I'm sorry to ask so many question I am just curious.
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This is a Mk5

 
This is a No5

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The "lightening cuts" are what differentiates a No.5 action body and barrel from a cut down No.4.
 
Besides copies made from No.4 rifles a few No.5 carbines that suffered spreading of the rear walls were rebuilt in theatre using No.4 action bodies.
One of these if it could be properly identified would be a unusual collectors item.
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Originally posted by 5thBatt 5thBatt wrote:

This is a Mk5


 

This is a No5




Mine looks A whole lot like the bottom one. But the front of the stock has been nicely cut down to behind that metal ring, and the top wooden part of the stock is removed. It looks really nice. About how much would something like that be worth? It is in good condition.
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Unfortunately the value is determined largely by authenticity, & completeness. Cutting the stock has made the rifle a "bubba", or more charitably a "sporterised" version of the original, as in a modified version of the original.

It may well be a sweet shooting rifle but the modifications have dropped the collector value quite a bit. You might find original #5 wood & replace the curt down with a replacement, but it still won't have the historical value the original did.

The butt originally had a metal skeleton frame buttplate surrounding a hard rubber pad of reduced dimensions (IMO one of the reasons the carbine had a reputation for hard recoil), you'd need to find & replace those as well. The correct #5 rear sight would need to be found & replaced as well as the scope & mount weren't "issue". The #5 had a different sight from the #4, (it went to 8000yds instead of 1300 IIRC), so you can't just pop a #4 one in there to enhance collector value.

Assuming all the parts match, it is is good condition & so on round here it'd probably go for $350.00 after returning to original condition.
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Alright, I am not worried about restoring it or anything, I Really love it as is, scope and all. But thank you for the input, The Only thing I'd like to have back on it is the bayonet, Do you have an idea of what the original bayonet would look like?
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and actually that first rifle is technically a mkV , this is why nomenclature is so important ,
 
i am going to assume yours is  a butchered no5  with the flash supressor and lug you need a no5 knife bayonet , it is third from the left  , the rest are for the no4 , spike bayonet  or the no7 or no9 blades , these - will not fit your rifle in spite of similarity of blade or muzzle rings
 
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His Rifle has the bayonet lug so the third from the left is correct they run $75-100
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thanks i realized that and corrected my post , sorry i got carried away
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