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The Lee-Enfield "Mad Minute" |
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16508 |
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There's a "Zombie Shoot Mad Minute Video" out there. Is shot standing, unsupported & at about 35 Yds. You have to stoop to the dirt to pick up a charger & of course dismount to do it. Now I get its a fun shoot, rather than a Historical re-enactment, but the loading, gun-handling in general & short stroking because of rim jams is horrible. If you're gong to do a "Mad Minute Drill" I'd hope for much better!
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5585 |
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Yes, an old thread, but an interesting topic. The LE is without question the fasted bolt rifle of it’s time, maybe still the fastest bolt action service rifle of all time.
We should keep in mind though that these achievements by pre WWI instructors are not at all typical of the skills of the soldiers sent into battle, particularly as the war progressed and new recruits were pressed into service as replacements. This is where the US had an advantage with the M1, a recruit becomes proficient with well aimed rapid fire with an auto loading rifle much faster than with a bolt rifle. There is a reason that present day infantry don’t carry a bolt action service rifle. I’ve done a lot of shooting with both the M1 and No. 4 and I can’t achieve the same rate of well aimed fire (under 4 MOA) with these two rifles. I could shoot the 15 shots in 60 seconds with my No. 4, but probably would not hold 4 MOA with it. Pretty easy to shoot three 8 round clips with the M1 in 60 seconds. By the way, I would want to practice this “Mad Minute” exercise much, it’s a definite barrel burner. I suppose guys like Snoxall might find the M1 gas system too slow to operate and would prefer a bolt action rifle …
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Strangely Brown ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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![]() Apologies I thought this was a new post about the mad minute to which I've already posted earlier. |
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rb67mustang ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 201 |
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OMG!!!LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here lies, William, shot 31 times in 1 minute, May he RIP.
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rb67mustang ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 201 |
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WOW!!! There's some very Good & Free teaching in this thread. Thanks for sharing your experience, Shamu.
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rb67mustang ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 201 |
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Thanks for mentioning this book, Richard! I did a quick search and found it on Evil-bay and it was in the US (less S&H), so i sanpped it up!!!
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rb67mustang ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 201 |
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Thanks for sharing both of Rob's "Mad Minute" videos. The second video is close to what Shamu shared with us.
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rb67mustang ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 201 |
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Thanks for sharing this detailed information about the "Mad Minute." When I knew I had found my first Enfield Rifle, even before I paid for it; I watched as many videos with the N05 I found on YouTube. That's when I heard Ian of Forgotten Weapons speak of the "Mad Minute." Sadly, the outdoor 100 yard range I use doesn't allow rapid fire, and the indoor range I use during the winter is only 30 yards in length and they also don't like rapid fire unless they know you well and that you're safe & qualified to do so.
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Strangely Brown ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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I'b better qualify this; the Mad Minute we did before they stopped the practise was at 200x yards which is the distance most of the snap & rapid stuff is done, everything else tends to be 500x & 600X. |
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5585 |
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Holding an 8 minute group in a "flat out" rate of rapid fire is indeed exceptional skill (all shots within the 24 inch inner at 300 yards). Some shooters struggle to get an 8 minute group in prone slow fire!
Most shooters of vintage bolt action rifles on this side of the pond do well to hold 3 to 4 MOA in the ten shot 80 second rapid stage. |
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16508 |
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Honkytonk, did you match against "Glynneath RFC" in South Wales? That was my old club & the site of the assault course & zip line through the trees going up the hill & back over the lake!
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16508 |
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I grew up not far from Warminster, "Brizzle". passed through it many time going to Bisley & Hazlemere. back in the 70's.
I'm going to have to go digging for it but I have an old musketry manual that shows a circular course, with many, varied stations spaced out about equally, round it. Basically you ran from the stations & did a drill at each one as you came to it, running various bayonet engagements, ranging & sighting exercises & at one point the live firing sections. you shot outwards from the circle. IIRC it was slow, timed & snap shooting scattered about from the "sides" & front to a distant berm. Each of the dozen or so “stops” was labeled for the particular exercise to be performed there. One was labeled as the “exercise 22”. The “official” name for the mad minute. If you look earlier in this thread there's an image & a set of dimensions for the target mentioned.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Strangely Brown ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Offline Points: 261 |
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Geoff it's believed Snoxall and the others all shot on the Second Class figure target which has an inner of 24" inches.
Up until about 20 years ago we could shoot the Mad Minute in competition at Bisley but a bullet was discovered lodged in a garage roof near the range and it was the perfect excuse to play the "Health & Safety" card and stop the shoot. They (NRA) also thought some of the smaller cadets couldn't handle the No.4 safely during the Mad Minute practice apparently. I have since discovered that the bullet in the garage roof was 7mm and believed to have come from the running deer range, heaven forbid the truth should get out! My best back in the day was 20 rounds although I usually delivered 19 getting them all on, some of the lads were regularly doing 25 and getting them all on the target which in those days was a turning figure target with an 8"?? strip down the middle scoring 5 and 4 elsewhere on the target.
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5585 |
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I must admit, these guys were exceptional! Mick, do you know the diameter of the Inner score ring of the target they used?
This makes our US CMP Match rapid fire stages seem incredibly slow! In the vintage matches, Rapid Fire is 10 rounds in 80 seconds. The time starts with the shooter standing and 5 rounds in the magazine. So some time is used up to drop down into the prone position. Then recharge the magazine after the first five rounds are fired. It really is plenty of time to make deliberate shots. Sometimes my rapid fire stage scores are better then slow fire, which is single shot only, requiring the rifle to be taken off the shoulder for each shot, and that breaks your concentration and natural point of aim. Modern Service Rifle CMP matches have a 60 second sitting rapid fire and 70 second prone rapid fire stages. |
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In '87 out rugby club did a two week your if England and Wales. Five games with local squads. Got the s#+t kicked out of us in Wales. Also got to watch a test match at Twickenham between England and France. A little different crowd than at a Canadian NHL hockey game!
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Before my wife got too ill to travel I had hoped we could get to Britain and Wales. We did get to Ireland before she fell apart. It was a marvelous trip with my best friend and his wife. He did all the driving as it was their 4th trip to Ireland.
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