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Thx Englishman.. damn didn't even occur to me that yes I can indeed have the wood cut out and patched.  Hmm might go this route, them Parker Hales are like a couple hundred bucks.  I'll see about a quote from my local gunsmith.  Wouldn't mind getting the entire thing checked over anyway before first shots.
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I'm not sure of Canadian prices but its about US$350 this side of the border for a matching numbers with mount & screws, springs & lock washer!
Then you'll (of Course) need this little gem as well!

The "Protective sight cover"
*sigh* I don't have that either!
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From what I've read, a Lee Speed rifle was, and even if original, a Sporter. Possibly the first sporter. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm correct, any after market alteration is acceptable. I've always read, and agree, wether a military rifle or massed produced hunting rifle, the first thing you modify, to begin the process of making it a shooter, is the sites. Be it open, or scope. 
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Damn it I knew I opened up a can o worms!  Ignorance was bliss but now that I know these toys exist... Hey you only need one kidney to survive right?  Lol.

I have to say that sight cover is super cool - and I've not come across one before.  I wants.


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Its the ONLY one I've ever seen too.
Like you say I can manage on one kidney!
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My thoughts on this were also stated by Honky-tonk above;
This is a sporting rifle and wouldn't be quite right with the target aperture fitted.
I'd leave the sights alone as well, apart from cleaning up, And, I'd not re-blue, as it will lose its history.
This is just my ideas on it, and we all think differently, so just adding this as food for thought before you get out the refurb kit!
If you Do work on the wood, a linseed finish is best, and also If you do work on it, you could always reduce the thick foreend to more of a "Lee-Speed" style.
You will not find a fore-end that will justvgo right on, as the barrel is not the same as the later marks, with cut-outs and such.    the Long Lee foreend is closest, and not easy to find.
 
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I think you could justify the folding "Match" sight on a rifle, folded for "field use" & use the issue sights instead, but unfolded for target use.

Oohh look one just popped up on e-pay!
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RSAF Enfield and Sparkbrook were government owned and run factories. BSA and LSA were private owned companies who made rifles for the government under contract.

The Govt allowed BSA and LSA manufacture rifles of Enfield design for sale to the public through the gun trade. As a licenced product, the rifles had to carry patent acknowledgements. Both BSA and LSA made full military spec arms for sale to militia and volunteer groups. They also made sporting versions, which now in common parlance are known as Lee Speeds, whether or not they are marked as such.

However, one can find a full spec military rifle marked Lee Speed too, so the term is not limited to sporters.

I have a officer's carbine that displays four patent banners, a Lee Speed patent on the metal at the wrist, a Penn Deeley patent on the bolt head, a BSA patent on the sliding safety catch and a Rigby patent on the nose cap.
So I could call my Lee Speed a 'Lee Speed Penn Deeley Rigby BSA'. Wacko

The first sporters were Lee Metfords built upon the Mk.I action. There were not many made.. Since they pre-date the Speed improvements technically, they are not a Lee Speed even though they look much the same.


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Lol I'd like to see your "LSPDRB" Franken-carbine!

Thanks Shamu... hopefully I'm not competing with you on this auction - soooo want it!

Not sure I will re-blue my rifle neither; really liking the 100 yr old patina and relishing the ability to shoot/hunt with a true antique.  It is a century anniversary this year for WWI after all.

My fore grip is definitely not original - on closer inspection the checkering is not nearly as refined as the buttstock (good eye Englishman) - so might do the linseed oil treatment that seems to be the consensus here.

Will tear down the dust cover tonight and see what's underneath...

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Hey Englishman... thanks for the pic.  Actually been meaning to ask precisely what No/Mark/action mine is.

So I definitely have a Mag Lee Metford / Long Lee Enfield Mark I?

Hey dumb question number 2: how do I properly count the grooves in my barrel?  Kinda just look like swirls to me, with a helping of vertigo to boot hahahaaa


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Shot the rifle today at the range.  WOW.  Not a romantic to believe in love at first sight - and indeed this is more like love at first shot - but damn I friggin love it.  Super visceral rifle to shoot and I can imagine it takes some practice and training to properly handle and use to its maximum potential.  

Glad I came here guys.  Keeping this thing for life!!!

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Originally posted by SteelFlint SteelFlint wrote:

So I definitely have a Mag Lee Metford / Long Lee Enfield Mark I?

Yes. Your receiver could have once been on either an MLM Mk.II/II* or an MLE Mk.I/I*. Exactly the same receiver forgings, just different barrels and bolts.
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LSPDRB Officers' carbine for use with bayonet.


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Almost don’t want to molest the stock/barrel with sling studs/swivels but I need a better way to carry it for sure.  Going to try and find vintage appropriate MLM II it MLE I versions I think.  Don’t want anything “new” on Victoria (yes that what I’m calling her lol) that’s not period correct ha.

Still getting used to the open sights but can’t wait for my next practice day!  Anyone try the Hornsby Vintage Match stuff?  $45 for 20s around my parts but looks quality...

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Check out Black-powder slings. Many used laces, pockets & so on instead of sling swivels.

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