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    Posted: October 03 2019 at 7:39am
I'm guessing it's a former British Army training rifle from around WW2 or early 50s but to be honest I know nothing about rifles & I'd be interested to know more.
 
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Much earlier than WWII. Victorian times actually.

It is a Martini Henry carbine.

It is marked as being ex British service.

All the stamped markings on the wood and metal will tell a story.
I can read the rifle and tell you a tale if you get some decent sharp pictures posted.

It is an interesting carbine. Quite collectable and has some value even if missing a few bits.
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Some kind of Martini cavalry carbine?
We have a bunch of Martini guys on here they'll be along shortly.

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That rifle is much, much older than what you think. That would be late 1800's to early 1900's. You need to post up all the pictures you can of all the markings you see and you will get a lot of help on this. Just looking at the butt I can tell you that the two arrows facing each other is a Sold Out of Service mark.
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Love the movie Zulu (1964).
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Wow, thank you very much for the insights  - a very different outcome to what I was expecting. 
Some detail pics attached 
Dates seem to be 1876 and 1894


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Originally posted by Sidneyw Sidneyw wrote:

Love the movie Zulu (1964).

Funny (& true) tale!
I worked for a "Mr Bromhead" who was an ex Gloucester.
Not "Jones 34" though.
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simon's got it ,BTW he is one of our resident experts on these older vintage rifles , it is a martini carbine and i would be proud to have it , the earlier date is a mfgr date the later is an issue date , this one saw service and is in pretty good shape for her age , what a lovely find , 
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Very nice!
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The dated marking disc on the butt suggests that the carbine could be one of the Martini Metford conversions. For an accurate identification, how about a clear photo of the whole carbine and also a shot of anything inscribed on the left side of the action. What is the caliber and to what range is the rear sight marked? 

As I see it, if the rifle was originally a Martini Henry dated 1876, something could be contradictory.      
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These are the best shots I can get of the whole piece, the wood and metal are very dark
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I'm afraid I don't really know what "What is the caliber and to what range is the rear sight marked?" means, although I've just spotted some marking beneath the sight that I hadn't seen before. (This is all taking me a long way from thinking it was something a relative had 'forgotten' to hand back after his National Service in the early 1950s and thinking I'd just ask out of interest before handing it in to be destroyed!  :)  )
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