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Goosic - Apologies if I've wasted your time reading this thread.
For the people who have guided me from total novice to understanding more of what I have stumbled across, I  thank you for guiding me.
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Thanks eca
What started as a 'throw away ' [NOT literally!!] question turned onto a fascinating journey, thanks for your input. Appreciate it .

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i think what goosic was getting at was that you appreciate what you have , give it the respect and dignity that both simon and terry lee suggest , its an antique but a fine one and worthy of preservation - gooosic was not wanting [nor anyone else] to see it desecrated by a "refinish" to modern look , it will never be an 'out the factory door item again' but it has the heritage of earning our respect for what it is now , he wants you to clean and preserve her - just as everyone else have suggested 
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

Originally posted by Nick58 Nick58 wrote:

I'm afraid I don't really know what "What is the caliber and to what range is the rear sight marked?" means, although I've just spotted some marking beneath the sight that I hadn't seen before. (This is all taking me a long way from thinking it was something a relative had 'forgotten' to hand back after his National Service in the early 1950s and thinking 

I'd just ask out of interest before handing it in to be destroyed!  :)  )
What is the actual concern to all your questions if all you intend to do with it is have it destroyed??? A waste of time on our part to answer your questions if the rifle is on it's way to have all of its history erased...

You don't need to have it destroyed. It is an antique firearm and you can own it under section 58/2 of the Firearms act 1968 as amended providing that it is held a a 'curiosity or ornament'.

That is UK law. Goosic wouldn't probabley be arare of or strang laws.
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(thinking I'd just ask out of interest before handing it in to be destroyed!  :)  )
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This is the quote that is bothering me and correct me if I am wrong. The OP states specifically that he is going to hand it in to be destroyed. 
You have a rifle that is extremely old and you ask various questions as to what it is. The folk here are giving you their expert answers and advice as to how to clean it up so it can possibly have an extended future once more.  To simply have it destroyed is more or less a slap in the face to those who took the time to respond to your question. If it is your intention to hand it in to be destroyed,might a better option be to gift it to someone else who will cherish it. 

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Goosic.

He is in the UK and here if you are found in possession of a firearm without the appropriate authority you face a jail sentence. 
The only way out is to hand it into the police..
HOWEVER. this particular piece comes under an exemption in the law ( Section 58/2 ) which allows certain guns to be kept providing there is no intention to use them. Unlike some countries it is not just the age that exempts them it is also the type and calibre. This gun fit the criterion.

Don't try to understand our laws, we don't.Wink

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Nick58. No apologies are necessary. My question to you was not asked in anger. Total shock and dismay that you are turning it in to be destroyed. Just does not make sense to get a history lesson on a particular item just to have it become one with a furnace or chopsaw after the fact.
  Stanforth.  I just read that 58/2 law. You guys across the pond are getting  shafted bad.
The provision for shotguns/ guns with more then one barrel  and air rifles is very confusing to me to say the least. The hoops you have to jump through just to have a (looking at gun)...
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Having re-read Nicks comments regarding having it destroyed. I read it in a slightly different context.
I understood it to mean that he had been given what he believed to be a WW2 training rifle and expected to be required to hand it in. Out of interest he asked a few questions and now realised that it was something special, and due to the age of rifle; it can be kept legally.
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Nick,  The immediate predecessor to your rifle, the Mk I Martini Henry Artillery Carbine. In fact, it and the cavalry version were termed the Interchangeable Carbine. By merely changing nose-caps and adding/removing swivels either could be converted into the other.  



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i get t goosic , i was not trying to downplay the loss , i was hoping to appeal to the sentiments , 

stanforth - you are correct , we do not understand the "laws" that would do that to a fine antique and we never will - i feel badly on so many levels on this , 

we wont let anyone take ours either , the brits tried once , or twice , the dems are going to have the same handful of trouble - but they can say what they want , its a FREE country and they have their first amendment rights here - we have ours as well ,  its the second , BTW my guns have killed less people in my lifetime than ted kennedys car did ...........

OH AND THANK YOU terry lee that is one fine example as well as some very interesting information , i would love to get my hands on one of these but i have never had the opportunity , 
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