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    Posted: May 16 2012 at 9:41pm
A lot of times when I see someone selling a sporterized rifle, the picture shows a Mauser, Enfield, or even Martini (just to mention a few) rifle whose original stock was chopped down with extreme prejudice so most of the barrel sits in the air, the barrel was cut down and some sight was brazed to it, and sometimes ducks and deers are engraved on its side.

Is that what sporterizing is? Wouldn't it be cheaper to get a composite Monte Carlo/whatever stock ($50?) and do it that way? And, this way, you can switch back and sell it as a original rifle.

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It goes back to an earlier time. A time when MilSurp rifles sold for a song, Literally. There were almost no MilSurp "collectors" then, but a bunch of people who wanted a cheap huntin' rifle!
Because you could buy the complete rifle for $5 ~ $15 you weren't going to spend a lot of money on a fancy stock. As prices went up custom stocks became available, & nowadays they're getting rare as sporterizing (or Bubbaizing if you bodge up the job) is no longer popular.
 
Sporterising comes in levels. Some were just cut down wood to save weight & "look better", some were cut down to shorter barrels for handiness & so on & some were just chopped all to hell & back by "shade tree gunsmiffs" with a blunt case knife & a rusty hacksaw.Confused 
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yes - less troublesome to fit that synthetic monte carlo stock , and keeping the restoration options is good advice , but as pointed out above most that did this wanted a 'cheap' huntin rifle , choping was just a physical effort - "dont cost nuthin" ,
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The idea was to get rid of all the stuff that the person decided didn't belong on a regular hunting rifle. That usually entailed the following:
Get rid of the upper handguard.
Cut the fore-end back to just allow a hand hold
Get rid of the barrel bands, bayonet lugs, front and rear sight protective "ears" and other military stuff.
Shorten the barrel (especially those longer than 26 inches)
 
The end result was usually a lighter (and often shorter) rifle stripped to the "essentials".
Frequently they don't shoot as well.
 
I never did any of this. I use mine "as issued"; and often repair and restore them to armory refurbished  condition. They actually work out very well like that.
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Sporterizing is basically converting a Military rifle into a hunting or less often Target rifle
A gunsmith once told me that there are four levels
 
1. Custom Rifle a rifle bult from a receiver to a customer specifications all or almost all to other original parts are replaced.
 
2. Semi custom a basically the same except some of the original parts are retained but the rifle is not easily reconisable as a former military rifle  uness you examine the receiver markings
 
3. Sporter a rifle that has been restocked fitted with new sights or a scope and often has the barrel has been replaced all the new parts are stock are availible basically over the counters.
This is basically making you own Remmington 700
 
4. The typical bubba job were the issue stock and often barrel have been crudely cut down in a home workshop.  Scott calls these "shooting turds" and they are worth a fraction of what an unmodified rifle would be. The worse case I have seen lately is a French 1907-34  a WWI Berthier rifle that was factory converted to 7.5x54mm French. Only a small number (Around 50,000) were done  and not that many survived.  One in original condition in decent shape is worth around $1000 well Bubba some how got one and attacked with his hack saw it had a $150 price tag on it
 
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Prime example of a "Home-Brew" sporterizing job. My Dad did this one in the early 60's.It is what it is. Not bad looking to me. Gave some thought to restoring her, but it means more to me the way it sits!

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mbridge1  at least it looks like it can be restored by simply replacing the missing parts for the fore-end and handguard. Maybe buy them and set them aside if you want to put it back in the future.
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Here's one that cannot be restored.  It has a No4 barrel and was a LE I*.  The scope mounts will come off with a little heat.


This one wears an original factory butt-stock from way back then.  The barrel may be a cavalry carbine or a Lee Speed barrel.  I don't know.  The receiver is military.

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Originally posted by SW28fan SW28fan wrote:

 
4. The typical bubba job were the issue stock and often barrel have been crudely cut down in a home workshop.  Scott calls these "shooting turds" and they are worth a fraction of what an unmodified rifle would be. The worse case I have seen lately is a French 1907-34  a WWI Berthier rifle that was factory converted to 7.5x54mm French. Only a small number (Around 50,000) were done  and not that many survived.  One in original condition in decent shape is worth around $1000 well Bubba some how got one and attacked with his hack saw it had a $150 price tag on it
 
 
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ya hey , that $1000 rifle with the $150 price tag was made into a $50 pile of parts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 303Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2012 at 6:44am
I would like an original MLE.  That to me is THE Lee Enfield.  They are available but the price indicates their value!  I got hold of this SHTLE with the the bolt head charger rail cut off and the guide missing.  What a shame.


I have sporterized it but I glued the scope bases on so it can be salvaged.  The barrel was scrap when I got it.


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again that right half of the charger rail is not cut , its a mkI rifle with the right half of the charger mounted to the bolt hread , but that can be missing ....perfectly good receiver
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I'm hoping to find someone who wants to restore one of those early prototype SMLE's.  That's why I did not drill and tap the receiver.  Not that many were made.  My sporterized 1902 LE I* came as just a barrelled action with rusted bore.  Had I known, I would have fire-lapped it and gone to paper patching.
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A square, haven't we had this discussion before?
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yes we have - not a "prototype" - its the first version of the SMLE [mkI] and the added * stars were a progression of changes that led to the mkIII , they are a bit less common and most who collect would wish to add one , yours will be a bit larger project than some but not out of the realm of reality ,
 
 
my big concern here is that a nooby will get "missinformation" about the receiver of a mkI being cut[NOT] , or that it is a prototype[NOT] , its a correct receiver and it was a production rifle , these were made in one of the more active transitional periods that revolved around the black-to-smokeless cartrige , and military move from a rifle/carbine to single issue rifle , and  it represents a major stepping stone in those movements ,
 
it also is one of the more fun/challenging projects to undertake as a restoration ,
 
the other active transitional period was from the mkV-mkVI-no4 , i realize these are more advanced collecting than many are interested in , but its that nooby like i once was reading and absorbing im thinking about , even if you never intend to collect , knowing the progression enhances your experience ,
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I'm pretty sure this case of DejaVue relates to the same person.Disapprove
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