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    Posted: February 15 2006 at 11:49am
Back in the 1960s  New south Wales had some very strange ideas when it came to shooting  ! For instance it was forbidden to shoot on a Sunday ! Now the really funny thing was that, Most of the big gun stores were in NSW. But it was illegal to own or shoot a Milsurp firearm in NSW ! THey could ship em anywhere in Auz but not sell em in NSW! So they came up with a brillant idea they took the barrels off, of Enfields & cut 2 threads off the barrel ,shortening the case by 1/8 or 2mm there by making a 7.7x54 not 7.7x56 !
      Years ago ,a Mate brought a beautifull mk4 sporter in ".303 " & it would'nt chamber a round ???? He asked me about it & I in my wisdom said ....."Headspace" He brought the rifle round to our Place  & my Father  took one look at it smiled & wandered off & came back with a handfull of ".303" rounds  My mate pointed out to him  that they would'nt chamber  (he'd tried )  My Dad said step out the back ,just humour me ! WE did & to our amazement Dad chammbered a round & let it off ????? I could'nt belive it ,My mate went bright  Red & said he could'nt work it out ! He'd tried Brand  New Brass  ! Dad turned round & said ..... Well if it was a .303 it would of worked ! Shame they sold you a 7.7 x54 aye???

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They can be re-chambered can't they?  It would not seem to be that of a job for a skilled gunsmith to cut the chamber 2MM longer.
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Yeah most people who end up with em  just rebarrel or recut the chamber it's more ofa inconvinience than any thing ! You can still buy forming dies & the load data is the same!
 
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ya, but would that 2mm cut cause issues when it comes to pressures?  Any amount of steel you remove, I would think, would have a negative affect on the amount of pressure the barrel could then manage.

Just my .02 cents!

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ya, but would that 2mm cut cause issues when it comes to pressures?  Any amount of steel you remove, I would think, would have a negative affect on the amount of pressure the barrel could then manage.

Just my .02 cents!

Strangely enough I used to wonder the same thing my self but it never seemed to deture people from using the 7.7 ! It was one of those really odd ball ideas that seem never to disappear completely ! THe only reason that I remembered it was I saw one being used yesterday & the owner said to me I bet you've never seen one of these before ! I hated to burst his bubble by telling him that in my youth they were quite a common cal . I suppose I'm lucky being in Auz  as we seem to be the world capital for .303's & their off spring & I'm glad to report a renewed intrest in almost forgottern  wildcats & Lee Enfields on a whole

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"I suppose I'm lucky being in Auz  as we seem to be the world capital for .303's & their off spring"

Well...

The poms are suffering from their restrictive laws. There is the Lee Enfield Rifle Association (LERA - http://www.leeenfieldrifleassociation.org.uk/) but if you see the beauracratic stuff they have to go through and the difficulties they have to negotiate. They are restricted in the amount of ammo and/or reloading omponents they can keep, they have to record every round fired, and if you do not use a rifle for too long a period the plods will come around and take it away because if you don't use it, you obviously don't need it.

The americans have discovered the Lee Enfield, but they are buying old crud from places like Malaya and Turkey because there is not much else. They get very excited about rusty old boat anchors with mismatched bolts and think that they will get them to shoot accurately with military surplus ammo.

The Canadians are suffereing from their firearms registry which, thankfully, seems to be coming to a merciful end, but how many rifles have been disposed of in the meantime (and will they get a refund for their fees? will they hell)...

In New Zealand, we can buy AS MANY LEE ENFIELDS AS WE CAN AFFORD on the most basic ("A") firearms licence available (and the country is awash in the bloody things) and NO-ONE KNOWS HOW MANY YOU HAVE because they are not registered. For this reason I have managed to accumulate ONE. OK, I lie: I have a No 4, a Lithgow SMLE, a No 5 and an Enforcer (the cops know about that one because I imported it). So I have FOUR. But am I lying again? NO-ONE KNOWS.

In addition, I have a pump-action shotgun. It is a 7-shot Mossberg. But is that the only one I have? NO-ONE KNOWS. And I have a semiautomatic .22. Not a very good one, but NO-ONE KNOWS about it. How many semi-autos are there in Aus? How many pump-action shotguns?

In the civilised world, I believe that New Zealand has the second-best firearms laws. The USA is, of course, the best. There are states where you can own and operate a Bren (I wish). I could get a "C" endorsement for my licence that would allow me to own a fully operational Bren but, if I chambered a round in it, I would be breaking the law. I do not want any firearm I am not allowed to fire, so I will stick with my Lee Enfield(s) (however many I have).

 

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Welcome to our fellow Enfield enthusiast from New Zealand . 

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Originally posted by N/I\Z N/I\Z wrote:

"I suppose I'm lucky being in Auz  as we seem to be the world capital for .303's & their off spring"

Well...

The poms are suffering from their restrictive laws. There is the Lee Enfield Rifle Association (LERA - http://www.leeenfieldrifleassociation.org.uk/) but if you see the beauracratic stuff they have to go through and the difficulties they have to negotiate. They are restricted in the amount of ammo and/or reloading omponents they can keep, they have to record every round fired, and if you do not use a rifle for too long a period the plods will come around and take it away because if you don't use it, you obviously don't need it.

The americans have discovered the Lee Enfield, but they are buying old crud from places like Malaya and Turkey because there is not much else. They get very excited about rusty old boat anchors with mismatched bolts and think that they will get them to shoot accurately with military surplus ammo.

The Canadians are suffereing from their firearms registry which, thankfully, seems to be coming to a merciful end, but how many rifles have been disposed of in the meantime (and will they get a refund for their fees? will they hell)...

In New Zealand, we can buy AS MANY LEE ENFIELDS AS WE CAN AFFORD on the most basic ("A") firearms licence available (and the country is awash in the bloody things) and NO-ONE KNOWS HOW MANY YOU HAVE because they are not registered. For this reason I have managed to accumulate ONE. OK, I lie: I have a No 4, a Lithgow SMLE, a No 5 and an Enforcer (the cops know about that one because I imported it). So I have FOUR. But am I lying again? NO-ONE KNOWS.

In addition, I have a pump-action shotgun. It is a 7-shot Mossberg. But is that the only one I have? NO-ONE KNOWS. And I have a semiautomatic .22. Not a very good one, but NO-ONE KNOWS about it. How many semi-autos are there in Aus? How many pump-action shotguns?

In the civilised world, I believe that New Zealand has the second-best firearms laws. The USA is, of course, the best. There are states where you can own and operate a Bren (I wish). I could get a "C" endorsement for my licence that would allow me to own a fully operational Bren but, if I chambered a round in it, I would be breaking the law. I do not want any firearm I am not allowed to fire, so I will stick with my Lee Enfield(s) (however many I have).

 

   Ever considered Switserland?  There not only are you allowed to keep fully operational military weapons in you home YOU ARE MANDATED BY LAW TO DO SO.  The military requires you to keep your issued weapons at your place of residence.  Of course your on your own for ammo as using military issued ammo carries some not very nice penalties.
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Ah, yes, the Swiss. Apparently, expatriate Swiss citizens (male) are required to maintain their currency with their issue firearm, even when in another country. The Swiss embassy supplies the ex-pat Swiss in NZ with ammo once a year for this purpose.
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Funny thing you Know? The Dear Old Libs never worked out a way to take our Semi autos & Pump action shotguns . If we were Pro shooters . I feel rather sorry for our firearms branch .I handed in My C& D class licence as I was going to retire & then changed my mind & they've had to re-endourse them to me  ! Poor Dears ! Ah well Biz as normal

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