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Originally posted by SW28fan SW28fan wrote:

Arizona it seems may be back in play
Is this because we can buy and grow our own pot legally now?
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At least 7 states are reporting more ballots than registered voters!
Others are "discovering caches" of lost votes
This is gong to be one dirty fight.
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I just can’t watch any news anymore except FOX.  I think they are the only news channel that has both sides represented.  Yes, they are obviously right leaning for the most part, but they say so.  It is the other news networks that pretend to be neutral, they are far from it.  

It will take a while to finish this.  The Dems are still writing up ballots that must be counted.  And there appears to be no validation of these mail in ballots.  I’m not sure how these are counted, but I think both sides should count them until they get a match.  
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me either - at this point i dont care in so many ways , ill be OK , i fear for those that will suffer in a carter type term , and i fear the fallout of some policies but then we have suffered worse in the past and persevered , 

i posted this elsewhere and got no response yet , 

is it just me being obtuse or dont we send observers to foreign countries to oversee that their votes are counted and properly handled ?
why on earth dont we have a nationwide standard that insures our elections are free of fraud ? OH YEA i think i just answered my rhetorical question , but im not real happy with the response ...........
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There are observer's chosen from both parties watching the count. The do so every election. 
They should be allowed to do their job without intrusion. Re-count a State if  it's too close to call.

No one in the world outside the USA thinks that your system could possibly be that corrupt. 
The USA is known across the globe as a great democracy; it's not some despot republic in Central Africa; a little more faith in the system and patience would be wise.

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Just as an outsider looking in.... The USA has been a democracy for like 240 years, so the electoral system has been around a fair while and if there were significant loop holes surely they would have been exposed and fixed by now.  Just like most western democracies there are checks and balances. I note that all the states have certified observers from all the political parties present at all the counting sites to make sure everything is done as per the relevant laws.
The way the votes are checked and counted seems a bit archaic mainly done by hand so no wonder it takes a fair bit of time. Then again if it was all electronically done maybe it would be vulnerable to being hacked by the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/Iranians etc.
I see that servicemen and servicewomen's votes from overseas also need to come in a be voted in many cases, would be an affront to their service & sacrifice to disenfranchise them, so guess that some patience is required.  
If the Election vote was really rigged or subject to massive fraud then sadly the USA would no longer be the worlds beacon of democracy and could be heading down the path to join the list of autocracies/ despots/ dictators etc who make up the true enemies of the USA and the western democracies.
That would be a sad day indeed.
Remember its supposed to be the UNITED States of America not The DISJOINTED States of America.

Hey just my opinion, whoever rightly wins will be the next President.
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

There are observer's chosen from both parties watching the count. The do so every election. 
They should be allowed to do their job without intrusion. Re-count a State if  it's too close to call.

No one in the world outside the USA thinks that your system could possibly be that corrupt. 
The USA is known across the globe as a great democracy; it's not some despot republic in Central Africa; a little more faith in the system and patience would be wise.


That's as it should be, but sadly not as it is this time round. Several counting places have excluded independent observers, more have only allowed their persuasion of checkers & there are law suits filed to force them to have oversight. At least one has been issued a court order to comply but has refused to do so. One has actually ejected overseers from the building & boarded up the windows to prevent even external observation.
Its a mess.
This is a compilation of the discovered issues, (its long, sorry) I'm sure there are more. Is it a plot to subvert government or simply a bunch of whack-a-doodles acting independently, or a combination of both? I don't know but it definitely a complete cock up.

Woman arrested in Vanderburgh county for pre checking boxes on 400+ ballots

https://www.tristatehomepage.com/new...-fraud-charge/


Butler county Pennsylvania loses untold number of mail in ballots

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...il-in-ballots/


Ballots stolen from mail boxes and discarded on roadsides in Washington town

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ballots-s...ashington-town


Group claims 400,000 ballots sent to residents who moved out of state or died in California

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...state-or-died/


Texas officer & poll watcher testifies on 2020 Houston Voting Fraud Using stacks of drivers licenses , (has photos)

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20842...ton-has-photos


West Palm Beach residents receive duplicate ballots and ballots for dead relatives

https://www.wpbf.com/article/duplica...cerns/34198409


Pennsylvania postal employee on leave and now fired after bags of mail discovered outside of home put out for trash pickup

https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylva...d-outside-home


25,263 ballots rejected in Colorado primary

https://www.cpr.org/2020/10/08/color...ed-signatures/


Double absentee ballots sent to residents in Henrico county

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/09/22/dou...enrico-voters/


Pa rejects 336,000 duplicate ballot requests 34,000 rejected for other reasons . Many voters request ballots up to 11 times

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...s/202010160153


Mecklenburg residents receiving double ballots due to labelling glitch

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...245761310.html


San Mateo residents receive multiple ballots

https://abc7news.com/mail-in-ballot-...llots/7006753/


Multiple absentee ballot applications showing up at Flint Michigan homes

https://nbc25news.com/news/local/mul...michigan-homes


Florida man arrested for obtaining dead wife's ballot and forging signature to "test the system"

https://www.wptv.com/news/state/flor...-wife-arrested


Election officials ask voters to not disinfect their mail in ballots as handfulls have already arrived destroyed and unable to be tabulated

https://www.kcra.com/article/electio...llots/34336823


400 duplicate ballots sent to local voters in Richmond

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-...be707cd7a.html


Duplicate ballots sent to "some" in North Carolina. How many? Who knows.

https://www.wxii12.com/article/dupli...oters/34056922


Placer county residents receiving duplicate ballots

https://www.kcra.com/article/thousan...oters/34306099


Bay area voters receive multiple ballots

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...ction/2378192/


USPS confirms missing ballots, never made it to residents of Seminole county. How many? Who knows

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...l-information/


Board of elections resends 99,000+ ballots in Brooklyn . Officials worry numerous originals already filled out and sent off

https://nypost.com/2020/10/06/board-...lyn-amid-snafu


50,000 ballots in Ohio sent to wrong addresses

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ballots-428350


500,000 ballots in Virginia labelled with wrong return address

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/v...5-9bb45df00a8d


Glitch sends duplicate ballots in pittsburg Allegheny county

https://www.wesa.fm/post/glitch-send...-says#stream/0


Glitch sends duplicate ballots to Needham town residents

https://needham.wickedlocal.com/news...ossible-glitch

Detroit elections, where 72% of absentee votes do not match registered voters

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ms/5616629002/


80,000 ballots dissappeared in baltimore

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politic...625-story.html


New York voting official warns people will use dead people to vote, and a few have

https://www.newsweek.com/mail-voting...ceased-1531481


Michigan secretary misprinted military absentee ballots . 400 already issued

https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...-misprint.html


Mail in ballots found in road ditch in Wisconsin

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...sconsin-ditch/


4 officials arrested in ballot harvesting scheme

https://www.kltv.com/2020/09/24/greg...esting-scheme/


9 military mail in ballots thrown in dumpster in PA

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/pocon...aa419550f.html


134 felony voter fraud charges announced in Dem primary

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tex...on-voter-fraud


New Yorkers receiving ballots with wrong names and adresses

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...oter-addresses


Queens voters receiving military ballots

https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/nyc-vo...-military-use/


Sun sentinel detailing Florida voting fraud

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...lga-story.html


Ballot harvesting scam exposed in minneapolis

https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/minnea...esting-claims/


1 in 4 " A Quarter" of election officials quit due to the new election law and chaos of mail in ballots

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...state-n1240504


Texas Official arrested on felony election fraud charges

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-offic...ntence-1534183


Patterson city council official arrested along with 4 others in ballot fraud scheme

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...nj-ag/2484797/


Yes America! Plenty of voter fraud

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...cases-prove-it


D.C voters receiving ballots for ex residents with some receiving up to 5 multiple ballots

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-...r-ex-residents


Numerous reports of people going door to door illegally collecting ballots

https://www.newsweek.com/ballot-vote...rundel-1535901


Project Veritas uncovers ballot fraud in San Antonio . 7,000 ballots compromised , likely up to 14,000

https://www.expressnews.com/news/pol...o-15679739.php


Orono, Maine Woman charged for casting roommates ballot

https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/...mmates-ballot/


Man Arrested in Luzerne county for trying to cast ballot for dead Wife

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/lo...0-2b5ff176ab2c


Postal Carrier in Miami arrested and charged with stealing ballots and gift cards

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...miami-73713450


Poll worker in Germantown maryland caught filling out / fixing ballots

(Video) https://youtu.be/hJexWG7TJQI


https://www.financialsurvivalnetwork...ite-on-ballot/


Ballot box containing ballots set on fire from the inside in Baldwin Park california

https://youtu.be/Sey68e3kbWM


300 Pounds of mail including ballots found in dumpster in New Jersey

https://mb.ntd.com/piles-of-mail-inc...ey_514529.html


6 USPS postal mail boxes tampered with in Richmond VA

https://www.localdvm.com/news/virgin...ntral-virginia


2,100 residents in woodland hills receive faulty ballots

https://www.kcra.com/article/2100-lo...llots/34289550


5,500 sample ballots sent in New Hampshire not labeled as "sample" leads many to believe they are legit election ballots

https://www.wmur.com/article/unlabel...shire/34394841


1,500 ballots in Kansas not counted in primary

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ount-in-kansas


Ballot printing error in sanpete Utah leaves 13,000 ballots with no where to put signature

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/...rinting-error/


Alaska, voter mistakes put many ballots on track for rejection 3 weeks out

https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/10...-election-day/


Ballots found damaged and vandalized in Billings Montana

https://billingsgazette.com/news/loc...5a4e877b7.html


USPS Bins with 112 ballots found in dumpster in louisville Kentucky

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ed-in-dumpster


60,000 ballots in Pennsylvania unaccounted for.

https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvani...ection-1537824


Landlord in Las vegas received 18 ballots for Tennant's he's never had

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tw...33363169284104


Tiktok video allegedly showing someone filling out multiple ballots in California

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/...tiple-ballots/


Utah man finds ballots in dumpster

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...ts-in-dumpster


29,000 incorrect ballots sent out in Philly due to mapping error

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/error-...rrect-ballots/


Election workers swamped with requests for multiple absentee ballots from "same people"

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/articl...9-fda28130b517


Ballots for deceased voter raises concern in L.a county

https://www.dailynews.com/ballot-for...tion-integrity


Kern country voter receives 3 ballots

https://bakersfieldnow.com/newslette...nov-3-election


1000 duplicate ballots sent in Fairfax county

https://wjla.com/news/local/voters-a...ail-in-ballots


Discarded mail in ballots found dumped in Joshua tree park in San bernadino CA

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020...s-joshua-tree/


Some Ohio Residents report recieving damaged ballots

https://www.statenews.org/post/some-...amaged-ballots


Thief caught on camera stealing ballots from mail boxes

https://streamable.com/z94se1


Hall county nebraska. 21 residents receive duplicate ballots

https://nebraska.tv/news/hall-county...licate-ballots


Texas mayoral candidate arrested for election fraud, charged with over 100 counts

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10...st-carrollton/


39 Colorado counties have more voters than people, is now being sued

https://www.wnd.com/2020/10/colorado...voters-people/


USPS Employee arrested for dumping mail which included 99 ballots

https://www.radio.com/1010wins/news/...ection-ballots


19 illegals busted voting in 2016. 2 re entered n re voted in this year's primary

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19...2016-elections


1000 people voted twice in georgia

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...vz?li=BB141NW3


Mail truck catches fire destroying thousands of ballots

https://amp.dailyrecord.com/amp/3257291001


200,000 ballots sent to wrong addresses in nevada

https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/mic...ong-addresses/


Entire NJ election called a do over due to ballot fraud

https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...on/3343160001/


New jersey man votes 3 times

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/conc...e-fraud-charge


Kansas Republican + 4 others charged in ballot fraud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...e46_story.html


200,000 purged from rolls in New york

https://www.cityandstateny.com/artic...t-mistake.html


Deceased cat receives ballot

https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895


NY election disaster, over a month to count ballots , ballots lost n desytoyed

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...er-11595286912


L.A. Man charged for voting in 3 elections using his dead mother

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...is-dead-mother


10s of thousands of ballots thrown out in primary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e46_story.html


100,000 ballots thrown out in California

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...rimary-ballots


23,000 ballots thrown out in Wisconsin

https://www.apmreports.org/story/202...lot-rejections


Thousands of ballots thown out due to tardiness

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/88975...-for-tardiness


Mail in ballot experiment fails with lost , late n damaged ballots.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...nted-election/


Woman arrested forging ballots in plymouth

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ply...e-voter-ballot


As the new York times claims ballots are secure in 2020. in 2012 they wrote ballots were extremely open to fraud , mistakes and issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/u...elections.html


(Study estimate)28,000,000 ballots lost in last 3 elections

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ns_143033.html


Postal worker arrested for changing party affiliation on ballots

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...after-changing


18,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...rence-primary/


3 Months later it's 35,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary

https://www.politico.com/states/flor...rimary-1317327


Thosands of ballots left on floor of building in North jersey

https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...ys/5582951002/


Investigation as piles of mail found dumped in parking lot in california

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...in-los-angeles


1.6 million more voters than registered in 19 california counties, L.A has 117% voter registration

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...s__142089.html


Virginia Democratic Rep. Abigail Spanberger has now surged ahead in her tight race with a Democratic challenger after officials reportedly discovered thousands of “overlooked” ballots on a flash drive. 

https://newsla.localad.com/2020/11/05/virginia-democrat-spanberger-surges-ahead-after-overlooked-ballots-found-on-flash-drive-report/

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Guys, it doesn’t take massive fraud to turn this election!  Even 0.2% fraudulent ballots could make the difference in a few states, and that could completely change the outcome in the electoral college.   Republican observers have been prevented from watching the counting of paper ballots.  Pooling workers have been witnessed marking up ballots.  We must not take this for granted that it is not free from any corruption, that would be a grave mistake.  There are lots of examples of dead people having voted.  Doesn’t have to be wide spread to make the difference.  Isn’t it interesting that all the votes being counted the last few days have gone to Biden?  Our military leans to the right, so where are their ballots?  
There is only one way to fairly count these paper ballots.  A representative from both sides counts them together.  And they keep counting and recounting them until both sides get the same number of votes.  


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Hatred is a very devious motivator.  These people hate Trump so much, they believe they are doing what is necessary to ensure he is not elected.  
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I believe its their ONLY plan. I really don't think they have a plan for running the country, just "Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Gone".
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Biden won...
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Maybe.
We still have to have the electoral college do its thing.
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Viewing all of this from a neutral point of view and obviously from  a European perspective. 
Biden appears to be a level headed guy with a lot of experience. He has spent a lifetime in politics and is known by many world leaders. Hopefully he will do a proper job that is respectful of the office of President. I think he will improve things for the USA. But it's not going to be easy.

When Trump was elected; I was pleased; I thought it would be interesting to see how he performed and at the start, seemed to be doing OK. But he's been disappointing in the long term. Seems to have no respect for the office of President and has turned it into a self promotional tool. Dividing the population is no way to move a country forwards. I sincerely hope that the USA can heal itself internally to allow it to thrive internationally again.

I have no wish to upset any of you guys, I consider you all to be friends of mine. This is just an opinion of what is seen from the outside.
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For me, I’m not so worried about Biden.  But I question his mental capacity, it’s his Vice President I’m terrified of.  She is an extreme far left liberal, borderline communist.  It’s the new crop of “Democrats” that are pushing the Party, and Joe Biden with it, to the extreme left.  This will not go good for the country and begin a spiral we may never recover from.   Biden had already said he is giving the job of confiscating our firearms to Beto.   

I’m sure John Kennedy is rolling over in his grave.  If he was alive today, he would be thrown out of the Democratic Party. Heck, I think they would throw out Obama now too.  




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Zed. If you upset someone who you consider a friend over an opinion of yours about something political. Was that person ever a friend? We all have our own opinions and we can all agree to disagree with each other and still maintain a friendship in my honest opinion. Biden is our President Elect currently.  Will he do as he claims he will do remains to be seen. Trump is not my cup of tea, nor is Biden. As long as that person hold a position of Leader of a free Nation however, I will not mock him or disgrace him.
We as Americans have four years under the elected leadership of Joe Biden commencing this January.  Whether you are Democrat, Republican, Bipartisan, Liberal, or Unaffiliated.  As an American citizen, stand proud, stand tall, stand free and stand united.
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We see things So differently, Zed.
 
Again, go by what he has Actually done, not what is commonly reported.
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