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    Posted: July 07 2020 at 1:20pm
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I'm a new member.

I have three No 1 Mk III Enfield rifles. One I bought at a gun show in fireable condition, two that I built up. One of the builds was from a half rifle / parts gun...the other one from a barreled receiver.

So while I am not a gunsmith, I am a retired mechanical engineer and I made sure that I felt that the two builder rifles were safe before I fired them, and I fired each one with a sandbag over the receiver for the first shot and pulled the trigger remotely with fishing line to make sure. Neither one blew up on me.

Now I am working on a Savage Arms No 4 Mk 1 rifle and I need a bolt head.

I have a size 0 bolt head which measures 0.625.

Today, I put layers of masking tape on the bolt face and checked the head space with a 'Field' gauge.

It would seem that I need a bolt face that measures 0.634 / 0.635 to make proper headspace.

Anyone have one to spare ?

(I'm in northern New York in the USA)
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Still looking for this bolt face...someone out there must have a stash of No 4, Mk 1 parts !
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Originally posted by tharruff tharruff wrote:

Still looking for this bolt face...someone out there must have a stash of No 4, Mk 1 parts !

Should be easy enough to find. Those dimensions fall nicely in the middle of the No2 range.

There is a guy who regularly advertises bolt heads on ebay (and, he quotes the sizes).

There is a 0.635 No4 bolt head advertised on Ebay.com at the moment (seller in Australia)
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Just as The Armourer has indicated.  eBay has alot of No4 boltheads listed for sale. BDLLTD.com, Apex.com, Sarco.com have them listed as well. You will have no doubt noticed however that, neither the eBay sellers or the three online sources provided will offer a refund when purchasing a part in an AS-IS condition. Especially if the buyer specifically requests a specific size.
I still have the 0.635" bolthead I originally offered to you through private messenger. I even have a 0.635" bolthead that was intended for a No4Mk1* rifle,albeit for a Long Branch No4.
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When I was building my No 1 Mk 3 rifles I found a guy who had a parts stash and he was willing to offer a return (with me paying shipping both ways) if the bolt head didn't work out.

In both cases of the No 1 Mk 3 builds, the bolt head that the guy sold me to the dimensions that I specified worked in my rifles so a return was not necessary.

My concern is clocking of the bolt head...if it won't clock properly on my bolt then I have a bolt head that I can't use...thus my desire to find a similar person with a friendly return policy.

And of course the various online vendors mentioned above won't offer a return either...so I am looking for that hobbyist guy who has parts and is willing to work with me to get a bolt head fitted.
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As long as it clocks past center of the main locking lug you are good to go. To fine tune this if the bolthead does not get to center,you use a honing stone and stone the bolt body until the bolt head clocks just past center of the main locking lug. This is all part of the fitting up process of having a perfectly set up bolt assembly. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the  various bolt heads are not a simple drop in cure for correct headspacing. When the rifle left the factory the bolt body and corresponding bolt head was mated to the rifle. Anything done to it after the fact,was redone from the Fazackerly plant during a FTR or the field Armourer, including replacing the bolthead , that included proper clocking of the bolthead to bolt body.
Purchase of a different size bolthead to replace the original will not always produce the sought after desired affects unless the bolthead was well worn and not an unissued part,and even then it is still a crap shoot...
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Originally posted by tharruff tharruff wrote:


And of course the various online vendors mentioned above won't offer a return either...so I am looking for that hobbyist guy who has parts and is willing to work with me to get a bolt head fitted.
A simple solution to your situation would have you calling BRIAN d**k at BDLLTD.com. Explain what it is you are trying to do and then work out the logistics of having your rifle sent to him and let him properly headspace the rifle for you. 
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I had a very similar situation recently (needed a spare bolt head for my Longbranch) and found someone locally (although in the North Island) who had four of those that were having the dimension I needed.  The guy was very nice and sent me the four of them, for me choose the one that would fit the bolt body the best, after I paid for one that I would choose and send the other three... I ended up paying for a second one :D and sent back the two other.  That was really helpful from that guy and a good example of mutual trust between two persons who didn't know each other but who are sharing the same interest ;).
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Philtno, the LE brotherhood is far reaching.
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Philtno,

Thanks for your comment...that is exactly the kind of person that I am trying connect with via my WTB post.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2020 at 12:36pm
I think you've already connected with him ! His name is Goosic. He has been very helpful to me and other member's here with bits and pieces. I believe he offered you the size you requested. 
I have found that the clocking issue is more of an issue on the No1MkIII rifles than the No4 type. 
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yes , ill second that and connecting with brian - he is a reliable source for all you need 
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