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I don't subscribe to the "if you have nothing to hide" crap
I don't do drugs, but that doesn't mean I'm OK with the police barging in and demanding urine samples. Randomly coming to inspect my guns is the same in my book.
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Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

They are proposing to have unanounced "visits" possibly to try and catch out people storing weapons and ammunition incorrectly. This has been slipped in under the guise of prevention of terrorism act. Totally unworkable due to loss of staff and firearms owners being out at work, so they'll have to ring and arrange a day and time to visit. Some feos try and interpret the guidance lines to suit themselves which just makes more work for them in the long run, they don't realise if we have good reason for wanting a wepon of a particular calibre ( say 222 or 223 for fox ) and good reason is given then it's a no brainer they can't refuse. I'm lucky I got hold of a Parker Hale  sporterised 303 some weeks ago I provided good reason and the turnround time was 3 days which is something of a record. But I do have a good working relationship with the firearms dept staff, they know me and my son and trust us to do the right thing.
Much is being said about this "Unanounced Checks by FEOs" on several of the other UK shooting forums and I have to agree with Tony that in the vast majority of cases it is unworkable due to staff cut backs and registered gun owners being out at work during the day time.
On of the biggest problems (In my opinion) is (again as Tony says) that many Firearms Officers tend to try to translate the firearms laws and  the Home Office Guidelines to suit themselves (And sometimes end up miles of course) which can give them a lot of needless work and often turns round to bite them in the butt if the person making the request for a particular firearm has "Good Reason"!
Like Tony I too have a very good working relationship with my Firearms Office (The same one as Tony's) and find our Firearms Office and it's staff very helpfull and efficeint - I have recently put in for a .270 rifle for deer and Any Other Legal Quarry ready for when I am back on my feet after my time in hospital (which is now booked for me to go in on the 18th November) and I got my FAC back with exactly what I had requested within 4 days of applying for the variation. However I have heard some real night-mare stories of some Firearms Departments in the UK taking many months for exactly the same type of request. The offending Departments (i.e.Those who work less efficiently than others) need to sort themselves out and get their departments working more efficiently before they go wasting money and resources on these unanounced visits and inspections!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2014 at 7:16am
  Apologies for the delay I've been out of the country chasing roe deer up and down scottish hills best chance I got was a "texas heart shot"Unhappy
Question for Tony.

When did home armory inspections end? I was surprised to hear that this was a new thing having been used to it 40 years ago!

 The home armoury inspections are usually done when the certificate comes up for renewal (ie every 5 years) it's usually a cursory check on cabinet security and serial numbers, if you are known and the police are happy with your behaviour they often don't bother. They always ring and arrange a time knowing I'm out at work or skulking in a Highland bog Big smile.
 The new idea is simply turn up and check un anounced which is unworkable in most cases as both Pete and I have said.
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I guess it slackened off a bit since my time. It was usually an average of once a year. (Maybe they didn't trust me as much as they trust you)!Cry
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Answered your own question there, Sham!
Guess your one of the "usual suspects"
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It is interesting that the UK limits how much ammo, primers, and powder.  I live right next to Chicago.  A place with an unsavory history.  Many murders are committed there. Mostly gang and drug related.  The perpetrators usually have one stolen pistol with a few cartridges.
Those who have 20 or 30 firearms, thousands of rounds of ammo, thousands of primers, and many pounds of powder just protect their families, hunt or put holes in paper.
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I have girlfriend in Chi town. I can't believe the casual acceptance of the daily death toll!
We have 7 fatal shootings in Toronto - a city of millions - & we're upset.
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We do care.  Maybe not so much when one gang does another, but a lot of innocents are killed.  When a mom crying over her little girl is on the news you feel sincere sadness.  There are definitely places you don't go in Chicago.  Same in New York, Boston, Toronto, etc.
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ive had a single malt or two tonight , my opinion is that most governments [meaning well] have sacrificed their population to the whims of those unwilling to allow others freedom , they want to control and confine their neighbors to their own beliefs ....as un-PC as i am , i still would allow each and every person all the rights of any other person on earth , including the politicians who claim exemption and privilege above all the rest of us 

just sayin .....just my 2cents american , for what that is worth 
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Originally posted by 25-5 25-5 wrote:

It is interesting that the UK limits how much ammo, primers, and powder.  I live right next to Chicago.  A place with an unsavory history.  Many murders are committed there. Mostly gang and drug related.  The perpetrators usually have one stolen pistol with a few cartridges.
Those who have 20 or 30 firearms, thousands of rounds of ammo, thousands of primers, and many pounds of powder just protect their families, hunt or put holes in paper.


 Again I'm 1 of the lucky ones. My ammo limit is 500 of each calibre, my son has the same limits so potentially we could have 1,000 rounds of each calibre at any 1 time in the house. Soft nosed ammo comes under section 5 and you have to have specific permission for it or the gun dealers won't supply it, primers aren't a problem, I usually buy 1000 at a time and powder is the same though they do suggest we don't have more than 6 kilos of powder at any 1 time due to fire hazards which is reasonable. The craziest comment I ever heard was years ago when I was based in Liverpool. I asked for an allocation of soft nosed 243 ammo to zero the rifle sights and was refused, their comment was " It's illegal to shoot people with soft nosed ammo!" I pointed out I hadn't shot anybody unlike the police who had just shot a guy for waving a Katana around in the street. Confused Target ammo can be purchased mail order but you must buy soft nosed ammo face to face. As we all know soft nosed or FMJ it makes no difference if you intend to do some harm so figure that reasoning out. The daftest thing is shotgun ammo, there's no restriciton on how much you can buy and keep, if I was of a mind and had the storage space I could buy a pallet load and nobody would question it. I dunno about the US and other countries but here the favourite weapon for armed robberies is a sawn off. Semi auto weapons are a definate no no apart from 22 rimfire rifles. Moderators/ silencers for any cal rifle are easy to obtain. You just say health and safety/ hearing damage and they agree to you having them on your ticket. I'm prepared to bet a months pension if you asked for a silencer over in the USA there'd be uproar and anyone who was lucky enough to get 1 would be watched like a hawk.Smile It's swings and roundabouts  if you play the authorities game there are loopholes we can use to get what we want eventually.Wink
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Suppressors here are a "special category", like full auto & calibers over .50.
The process is surprisingly close to what the old "Firearms Certificate" used to be. (Background checks through CRO, referees (witnesses) & so on, plus there's a special permit you must have with you, restrictions on crossing state lines & last, but not least a $200.00 "tax stamp" every time you transfer something on that permit.

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There is no permit to have suppressors, only the tax stamp. At least that's how my state works. You have to wait on a background check and pay the tax, that's all.
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Sorry for the confusion, I meant the process is similar, not that you need to get one. This from the FAQ of a U.S. sound & flash suppressor for the non U.S. members.

"In most states, individuals, Corporations, and Trusts can legally own silencers in the following states: AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MI, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY.

It is a relatively simple process to submit Form 4 applications to own a silencer. Typically, it is no more involved than obtaining a concealed firearm permit in most U.S. states. The typical process includes submitting two simple forms, two sets of fingerprint cards, two passport photos, a citizenship declaration form, and a signature from a chief law enforcement officer in your home jurisdiction.

You can process a Form 4 without a chief law enforcement officer’s signature by means of a Firearms Trust. There are many attorneys who have vast experience with this type of trust, and it is also a relatively simple legal process.

 You do not give up your guaranteed rights in any regard. You are simply the registered owner of an NFA item.

You will be the “registered owner” of that silencer, which is recorded on a “list.” But remember, you have a social security number, which is a “list”; you are registered to vote, which is a “list”; you pay your taxes, which is a controlled “list.” From your birth, the government has had ways of identifying you

You can sell it, but the transfer must be done in accordance with all regulations.

You can cross state lines if the state you are traveling through is a suppressor legal state. Other ATF regulations require a temporary permit for machine guns or short barrel rifles to travel across state lines."

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Speaking of trusts, they will get you around some of the red tape. Lawyers will set them up for you for around $300.
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lawyers - they always get their piece of the pie , 

i always wonder at those that wish to take our gun rights - after all it was those pesky brits that first tried to confiscate here , no offence to my cousins across the pond , but there was a method behind the madness - still not giving them up 
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Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

The daftest thing is shotgun ammo, there's no restriciton on how much you can buy and keep
What round is the easiest to use for home made firearms/devices? The shotgun!
What round leaves the least ballistic evidence? The shotgun!
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