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Originally posted by muffett.2008 muffett.2008 wrote:

Interesting how we lost interest in the guns and got to engines.
 We started at the tail and now we're at the prop, might need to talk about wingtips to have the subject fully covered.Clap
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote paddyofurniture Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2013 at 5:45am
While we are talking about guns and Lancaster.

Did RCAF flight crews or any Lancaster crew carry firearms?


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Dunno Paddy, Brit crews carried revolvers.
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I know the later day combat crews do.I never thought to ask any of the vets..it never crossed my mind. I do know there was a signal gun(vary light?) on board the bombers-at least for a while, anyway.(no idea why)
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Using a  signal gun on a  Lancaster took guts or you had to be nuts.

Flying around in a Lancaster with all that fuel.

What if there is a fuel leak or some other type of combat damage and you go off and shot your  signal gun.
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Were signal guns used to say that their was injuried on board? I know american b 17s carried signal guns and would shoot a flare off and would be allowed to be at the front of the formation and when coming in to land would fire off a flare to let ground personal to get ready with ambulances because of wounded on board. Just a thought.

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maybe...I never thot to ask. If your returning, chances are you dont have much gas...headed out your full-less of a risk
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If you could please hoadie if,  by the chance arise, ask?

About personal firearms

About the use of the signal gun

Thanks,

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Well, I'll try.There isnt many of them left, now. Doc Hannah checked out last year.He was my main "conduit" for that stuff on Lancs.I'll sniff around the Legion tho.(As long as that old lady doesnt catch me doin it!She asked me last week if I wanted some "super sex", I said SURE! what kinda soup ya got?)
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Bit O/T but have any of you heard about the old WW2 "goon baiting" tricks from POWs?
 
There was a tradittion of busting the chops of German guards & Germans in general. One of the favourites was the "Jane" heavy bomber. It supposedly had 8 Huntley & palmer engines with Peak Freen wingtip powered turrets!
 
"Jane" was a long-running cartoon strip in the newspaper & new guys were invariably asked about the latest happenings to "jane". The Germans interrogated prisoners, thinking that there was a "secret project" under discussion. Huntley & Palmer made cookies & so did Peak Freens there never was such a factory.
 
The Germans spent a huge amount of time trying to find the factory so they could bomb it before the British super heavy bomber could become operatioinal.
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While married to my first wife while I in the Army I returned from a 6-8 week field training trip.

My wife told me I was getting something really special tonight. I asked who is coming over?

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The RAF .303 Browning MkII
As used in the Wellington and Lancaster gun turrets.
Specifications
Calibre: 0.303in
Weight: 21 lb 14 oz
Muzzle velocity: 2,660 ft/sec
Rate of fire: 1,150 rpm
Maximum Range: 3,000 ft
Length: 3 ft 8.5 in
 
PS
Some sources on MGs quote recommended rate of fire rather than maximum cyclic rate of fire.
Its not uncommon for air cooled guns to be limited in actual effective rate of fire due to concerns of over heating, with short bursts recommended for best reliability.
 
Another possibility is that the standard RAF ammo belts for the .303 RAF Browning held 300-333 RPG (rounds per gun) the OP source may have confused rounds per gun with rounds per minute.
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Is the .303 Browning MkII ammo the same ammo as we use in our No1 Mk III and No 4?

The reason I ask I recall see some 303 ammo made by Remington or Winchester in my friend's reloading bench. Per my friend's it was not to be used for MG as there was a issue and it was to hot for rifles.

Is this correct?
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Some ammo is clearly stamped "NOT FOR AIRCRAFT USE"
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I did not see any "NOT FOR AIRCRAFT USE "on the boxes.



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There was "aircraft issue" .303 Brit ammo, but it was just a higher QC for FTF than "regular" ammo as you couldn't go climbing out on the wings in a dogfigt to clear a malfunction or head seperation. Wing guns had pneumatic re-cocking in the event of a jam, or a dud round, but anything more than that & you were in deep do-do.
I think your friend is confusing the Mk VII, the Mk VIIz, & the Mk8z ammunition. The Mk VII was "regular ball ammo", the Mk VIIz was just Mk VII, but loaded with stick nitro-cellulose powder instead of Cordite, but the Mk 8z was designed for "longer range shooting with machine guns". Because of the "long range" tag, many assumed it had a more powerful charge, making it unsafe in bolt actions. The actual difference was the bullet!
 
Unlike the flat base Mk VII bullet the Mk 8 bullet had a stepped down boat tail design, which made it more efficient at long range.
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