Bandolier and clips

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   I have just bought a WW2 Bandolier and set of 10 charger clips from a French website that has quite a bit of Enfield stuff. Including a box of 100 charger clips, unused, (British 5 hole type). A No8 rifle, and lots of spares etc. Although it's European prices!! Site is called  Natura Buy. Just search "Enfield"

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Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Bandolier and clips Posted: January 09 2013 at 4:34am
	I have just bought a WW2 Bandolier and set of 10 charger clips from a French website that has quite a bit of Enfield stuff. Including a box of 100 charger clips, unused, (British 5 hole type). A No8 rifle, and lots of spares etc. Although it's European prices!! Site is called Natura Buy. Just search "Enfield"
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No4Enfield Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: January 19 2008 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 336	Post Options Post Reply Quote No4Enfield Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 09 2013 at 8:19am
	and I thought prices were high in America for Enfield stuff.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 09 2013 at 11:25pm
	ya hey , it always suprises me to see what others are spending , but its equally interesting to see whats available there as opposed to what we have to choose from ,

Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 10 2013 at 2:25am
	It's depressing seeing how cheap things are in the USA, and not being able to import them easily, that is the rifles and hardware. I have bought some stuff from the internet, got a USMC shooting jacket, sent UPS and had to pay 50 Euros import duty, which was the same price as the jacket!!!
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 10 2013 at 7:31am
	100% tax ? yup thats what socialism gets you , but we seem to be working on it here as well , so who am i to talk ?

Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 13 2013 at 3:49am
	It appears the 5 hole clips are the crap ones! for some reason I had it in my head that the 5 hole model was the good one and the 4 hole was bad. But I got that the wrong way around. The ones I received are unused and clean, but tight as he!! on the cartridges and badly score the brass. I was testing them today. I do have a couple of 4 hole clips and they are more flexible at the spring end and thinner metal also. I assume the 5 hole is of Indian manufacture, the metal is 5 thou thicker and the heat treatment is not at all close to the original 4 hole design. I have attacked one with a dremel to try and make it serviceable, removed the burr's and metal from the full length along the inside of the clip, ground off the bump on the spring end and generally polished out the rough edges. It works better, but still not as good as the 4 hole. I will try heating one to soften the metal a it and get more flexibility in it. Anyone else used these clips?
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flanker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: March 30 2012 Location: Aberdeenshire Status: Offline Points: 338	Post Options Post Reply Quote flanker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 13 2013 at 4:55am
	I have a few 4-hole clips, they're 1960's South African and they're pretty tight too. When I was a kid in the cadet force we used to practice loading by pushing a whole clip of drill rounds into the magazine at once - no way you could do that with the clips I have now.
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 13 2013 at 7:29am
	I have both 4 & 5 hole ones that reek. There seems to be 2 "sizes" & 2 finishes, both of which come on several flavours. The rough finished parkerized ones are the absolute worst of the lot. I've found Italian & South African ones & they just don't work properly. Personally I won't use anything now that doesn't have the WD "broad arrow", oval detent "teats" & a smooth (blued?) finish any more.
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Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2013 at 3:09am
	yes Shamu they appear to be parkerised. I am not sure where they came from originally;( I had assumed India) but they were obviously not used for a reason. I have 2 original WW2 clips that came from a air drop canister that were given to me by friend. They work nicely and do not scrap the cases. When testing the new ones against these; pushing spring ends together, I get full deflection on the originals and no movement on the new ones. I only bought 10 so it's no great loss. I will experiment with them, maybe try and heat treatment and reworking them, just for the he!! of it!
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2013 at 6:41am
	I had some Indian ones, they were parkerised & tight as well.
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:21pm
	wonder if those tight indian ones were for the 308 ammo for the 2A & 2A1 ????

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:28pm
	I don't really know. I thought the 7.62 chargers were like the '06 springfield type instead of the deeper .303 type with the 'oles in 'em? There were some Italian made ones too, they had all sorts of (aparrently) random letters, numbers & roman numerals stamped on them. IIRC no-one ever figured out what the stamps really meant (if anything)
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 14 2013 at 10:30pm
	i guess i dont really know , i never loaded my 2A or my 2A1 with the chargers when i owned them back when , but the charger bridge did resemble the mkIII/III* enough for me to 'assume' the chargers would be more like the brits than the US versions

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 15 2013 at 2:15am
	OK, its official, we're lost! Indian 7.62 owners to the rescue! What do 7.62 Enfield chargers look like? (a pic would be nice too) Hmmmm... I just tried a couple of 7.62 rounds out. I don't think the rimless case can work in an Enfield style one, even if its a different dimension, there's no rim to grip & the 7.62 case is actually an even tighter fit than a .303 is! A quick check shows a .303 as 0.455" dia at the case just in front of the rim, but a 7.62 is 0.470" so a 7.62 charger would be loser, not tighter even if they could figure the rim thing out.!
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LE Owner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1047	Post Options Post Reply Quote LE Owner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 17 2013 at 1:30pm
	Five round stripper clips made for topping up an M-14 or the ten round clips made for loading M-14 magazines when using an adapter appear to work. Its likely that Springfield and some Mauser stripper clips should also work.

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 17 2013 at 10:12pm
	So they're the same as NATO 7.62 strippers?
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