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    Posted: March 28 2018 at 7:11pm
Question. For those of you that have installed an S&K scope mount on you Lee Enfield, which rings do you prefer? Thanks!
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I don't remember the names of these. Something Quad Something. Found them on eBay for $20.00. Really does a good job of clamping the scope in place.
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I went with the proprietary S&K ones, rather than the weaver/Picatinny rail,  because they are the lowest possible setup.
I literally can't get a business card between the mount top & the turret saddle bottom, just a sheet of paper!

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I find that most mounts give insufficient eye relief unless you only shoot off the bench or standing.  I use a cantilever mount, as shown below.  Not the same base mount, but you get the idea.
 
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I do get the idea. Quite a rig!
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I put a scope on it with those rings so you can see how it looks. I have no issues with the eye relief either.
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Goosic, in the prone position, my head is resting on my right thumb just below the cheek bone (probably quite common for most shooters).  In this position, most scope mounts will position the scope such that the eyepiece would be firmly planted in my right eye socket.  The No. 4(T) scope position is quite forward which enables sufficient eye relief for prone shooting.   Shooting on the bench or in the off hand position the head is held much further back.  I cannot shoot my No. 4 prone without the cantilever mount.  The actual eye relief of the scope is a factor as well.    It might just be me, but I suspect most shooters would have this problem if shooting prone.
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Edit.  Wrong quote removed.

Got the same reason I went with Weaver Tip Off. Tight to the base. Can just get a piece of paper to slide between base and centre of scope.
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Thanks for the info guys!
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I'm finding this interesting. When I shoot prone or kneeling my thumb is in front of the cheekpiece riser,  on the wrist of the stock, & my cheek is on it, so that places my eye considerably further rearwards then you position.

I tried a Hensoldt Ferro ZF24 As a modern replicant of the Mk32 but couldn't get enough eye relief without some serious stock climbing! So much I eventually gave up & sold the scope!
My current setup is darn near perfect for me this way.




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Part of the problem for me is that I need a slightly longer butt stock. In prone position with the PH 5c sight, my eye is quite close to the apature, probably less than 2 inches from it.   The bottom edge of my shooting glasses touch the cocking piece of the bolt and have chafed away the 2.5x reader inserts on the lense.   The C5, 6 and 7 vertebrae of my neck have been fused together, so I’m not able to lift my head as high as I’d like to, and can just see the sights thru the upper left corner of my glasses.

With a scope on the rifle, it’s impossible for me to shoot prone; the eye piece cannot be much further back than the rear sight position. I can with the No. 4(T), but not with the no gunsmithing type mounts that attach to the rear sight lugs.

Shamu, that scope position in the top pic looks good, that would work for me.   I need to get myself a smaller scope, perhaps just 3 to 5x, smaller diameter objective, mount as low as possible, that would make a comfortable prone shooting position.
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Do you have eyepiece attachments (Irises, filters) on the 5C as well, some of them are pretty long.
The Hensoldt & ARMS #7 Picatinny to STANAG adapter sound like they'd be perfect for you! They do have one disadvantage though, there is no, zero, adjustment for eye relief because of the conversion mount it only goes in that one exact spot.
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Shamu, I do have the eyepiece attachments but do not use them; they would probably be very close to recoiling into my glasses. 
 
I've not really looked closely at how other shooters take up the prone position.  I thought it was quite common for the cheek to be pressed (AKA "cheek weld") to the base of the right thumb that wraps around the butt stock wrist.  My head may not be able to tip far enough back to give the clearance that most people get with the aperture sight.  I'll have someone take a photo of my shooting position, maybe I'm just different...
 
 
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It depends how you were taught I guess. I was always taught to have the head far enough back that you didn't need to break a cheek weld when cycling the bolt, so I cant climb up that close in that position.
Have you ever though of using one of those slip-on rubber butt boots? They give almost an inch of extra stock length without permanent modification.
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An English hold that I use is not to wrap my thumb around the butt stock wrist. The thumb lays on the right side of the wrist pointing forward. That way, I don't accidentally try to shove my thumb up my nose on recoil if the butt stock is a bit short and the cartridge is a bit stout.

The large frame Martini service rifle has a nice little thumb rest engraved into the back of the receiver as a reminder for just this style of hold. 


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I had to edit my post above as I quoted the wrong post.  Here are my rings.  I chose the Vortex scope as it gave me a longer eye relief of 4.7 inches.   The rings are Weaver Tip Off.


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