Help with modified 1907 hook quillon bayonet

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   Hi,
I recently purchased online a 
M 1907 bayonet by Wilkinson dated 4/09. 
On close inspection I think that it had it's quillon removed.
This is the  first bayonet I ever bought ...

I am attaching some pictures.

Please let me know your thoughts on this one.

Appreciate your help,
Zev

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zev Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: August 22 2023 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote zev Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Help with modified 1907 hook quillon bayonet Posted: August 22 2023 at 5:56am
	Hi, I recently purchased online a M 1907 bayonet by Wilkinson dated 4/09. On close inspection I think that it had it's quillon removed. This is the first bayonet I ever bought ... I am attaching some pictures. Please let me know your thoughts on this one. Appreciate your help, Zev

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 22 2023 at 10:24am
	The easiest way to tell is to closely examine the hand-guard/mount ring. If its a strait taper opposite the ring, where the quillions hook would have been its not. If there's a curve there it probably was. Its a bit subtle but its a give away if you have a slightly jaundiced eye for detail. This is curved (on the right of the image)
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

zev Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: August 22 2023 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote zev Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 22 2023 at 12:19pm
	Hi, Thanks for your reply! Do these pictures help?

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 25 2023 at 8:13pm
	YES. That's got the curved sides so it was probably a "hookie" that was modified by having it ground off.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Strangely Brown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Online Points: 645	Post Options Post Reply Quote Strangely Brown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 26 2023 at 3:59am
	I believe the order to remove quilliams came in 1913, so yes yours is spot on!
	Mick

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 28 2023 at 9:09pm
	i agree a 1909 would most likely have had it removed - it had one to begin with and very few escaped the circumcision

hoadie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: March 16 2006 Location: Niagara/Canada Status: Offline Points: 9680	Post Options Post Reply Quote hoadie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 17 2023 at 3:02pm
	Hey! Need some direction / verification here. Last nite I was browsing round the TV stations. There was a 1st war clip being shown. The French were attacking a German trench line. Germans were shooting their Mausers...with quillion hook bayonets attached. Did that happen? I thought twas only the ANZACS had those & on Enfields. Anyone got some info on that?
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	Reusing capture stuff.
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 17 2023 at 6:21pm
	Hooked quillions were a fad for several armies at the time, including Germany.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 17 2023 at 6:50pm
	yes indeed , the british Pattern 1907 is a copy of the 1897 japanese bayonet type 30 but they actually had them going back to at least 1880 with their type 13 , in 1885 they developed the type 18 which evolved to the type 22 in 1889 , the japanese actually produced theirs till 1942 , the aergentines had hooked quillon in 1867 , the bavarians in 1869 , belgeum 1868 , brazil 1904 , chili in 1885 and i could go right down a long list that predates the patter 1907

hoadie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: March 16 2006 Location: Niagara/Canada Status: Offline Points: 9680	Post Options Post Reply Quote hoadie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: December 18 2023 at 4:27am
	Well, I recon I just learned more stuff I had never seen / heard of Mausers with hookies b4
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