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    Posted: November 25 2023 at 12:39pm
Hi,

i just bought a Jungle Carbine and i'm wondering which country it is from.
It lacks the original ROF (F) marking, it just says No.5 MK1. 
On the side it says "1945, BD3699".
But i think it has all the features of a real No. 5.
And the stock says "RET /3", i wonder which unit that is?

I hope that you can help me,

greetings Thomas
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Thomas. Your rifle was made at the BSA Shirley factory in England and yes, it is a real No5Mk1. 
Fazakerley and Birmingham Small Arms were the only two factories making the No5.
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congrats on a great rifle you should enjoy , these are a fine shooting rifle in spite of their bad publicity , enjoy this one , 

 as stated above there were only two mgrs. both were productive in these between 44 and 47 although there were not productions of both in that time frame equally , BSA started earlier and i think FAZ ended a little later , not a big deal but it does help when finding the forgeries that seemed to happen , it is easy 6to tell if correct by the lightening cuts and such as well as serial number tacking ,, 
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Great, thanks for the fast response.

Now i'm just wondering about the "RET /3", if it even means anything?

Greetings Thomas
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It could be a racking number
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Could be, so most likely not a unit marking.

Thanks for the help.

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It has been given the "Ishapore Treatment" at some point in time by having that screw put in the forend which might explain that RET/3 paint on the buttstock...
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Rack number.
It was a quick,n dirty check that all rifles were returned too the correct rifle rack.
Every rifle had a corresponding rack with a matching number.
Yes it has the "Ishy Screw"
But not all Ishy screws were fitted in Ishapore, it just began there,
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