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shiloh
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Posted: June 23 2024 at 5:35am |
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A couple yrs ago I purchase a bayonet still wrapped and soaked with cosmoline. Was told it was WWI unissued. When I unwrapped it and thoroughly cleaned it the blade was perfect yet covered on both sides with the same mirco snail trails. Upon investigation I was told by a metal guy I know it was likely cause by micro moisture trapped under the grease and also could be from bacteria eating the grease. Them little bugs must excrete some powerful acid to etch the steel. Never say never I guess. I like the moisture explanation the best. |
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Posted: June 23 2024 at 2:27pm |
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Wow, Spurred on by that I dug out my No9 Mk1 & My No7 LS bayonets, excavated my shadowless ring-light, a relic of my on CS & Forensics days, & took some macro pictures. These are much lower mag, about 15~20X but its all my current camera will do. Both show the "spiderwebs"although to the naked eye they look nice. These have been wiped & oiled & so on but no scrubbing, like a bore brush or J.B. paste, so they look dark, not bright. That reinforces the micro-rusting & scouring idea. ![]() I guess its just a minute detail we never noticed till we had the high mag bore-scopes available. The No7 Mk1, Rows of them, just above the lower groove . The No9LS, a few, scattered just above the lower groove again & more on two "groups, just above the bottom edge of the blade. |
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Rossfield
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Posted: June 25 2024 at 9:37am |
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This is why ferrous metal surfaces should be heated before applying oil or paint to drive out the residual moisture in the "pores" of the metal. Once the water is evaporated by heat the oil or paint can then get into those pores, and either bond better and/or inhibit the ingress/condensation of moisture from the air.
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britrifles
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Posted: June 25 2024 at 4:49pm |
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Shamu, that looks like regular pitting, not the “trails” I see in the bore of several of my No. 4 rifles. I first thought of microbial corrosion, which occurs inside fuel tanks on aircraft (before they added the biocides in fuel and corrosion inhibiting treatments). It will be interesting to hear what my corrosion expert at work says, will sent him the photo next week.
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Shamu
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Posted: June 26 2024 at 11:31am |
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I think the differences you're seeing are because of very different magnification levels? The little circular patterns on the second image are made up of the same patterns you're showing, but I can't get a high enough magnification with the camera to show them better. My Jeweler's loupe shows them as being similar but I can't photograph through it.
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Posted: June 26 2024 at 12:17pm |
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Yes, perhaps so. The problem too is the resolution on photos we can post here is not very good.
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Shamu
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Posted: June 26 2024 at 5:16pm |
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That too.
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Posted: July 02 2024 at 6:10am |
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I showed the borescope image on that Long Branch 7.62 barrel I posted here on this thread to our Materials and Processes engineer who specializes in corrosion and corrosion protective coatings. He recognized this as "filiform corrosion", a particular type of corrosion that only occurs under a coating or plating. There is some pitting there too; likely in adjacent areas that did not have any fouling.
I believe in this case, the "coating or plating" was a combination of carbon and copper fouling. Moisture trapped under the fouling, or crept under it over many years of storage before I fully cleaned the barrel. The corrosion does not show on the lands, because the bore cleaning that my Dad did before he put it away likely removed the fouling from the lands; it's the grooves that did not get fully cleaned. Filiform corrosion is typically cosmetic, does not usually go very deep like pitting can. And, that's what it appears to be in this barrel. I also see some of this on the Long Branch CMk4 barrel on the No. 4 T, which was stored in the same environment as the DCRA 7.62. So, keep barrels free of fouling, particularly if you intend to store the rifle for some period. |
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Shamu
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Posted: July 02 2024 at 12:14pm |
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That would have worked like a plating for sure. |
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Posted: July 06 2024 at 8:35am |
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Gents,
After firing my No. 4 for the first time, I checked the bore with my borescope and saw these striations starting at the breach and extending about 1/2 inch toward the front of the bore. Any ideas? I also spotted some what might be copper residue in a few places. Will do some more cleaning. ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: July 06 2024 at 1:51pm |
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John, those are reamer marks from when the barrel was made. Fairly typical, barrels were not lapped.
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Posted: January 17 2025 at 5:41am |
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Yup, barrel worms! As pointed out, ain't nuffin to worry about. Probably the better of the corrosion type to have. On another note, I've shot some terrible pitted bores, still have impressive precision non-the-less.
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Posted: October 27 2025 at 4:02pm |
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Slightly off topic.
I once condemned a well-used P14 barrel. When you looked down the barrel, there appeared to be defined rifling. Out of curiosity I sliced about 6" of it down the centre so I could have a close look at the bore. There was what looked like rifling, but when I aggressively rubbed at it with a steel brush it disappeared. The bore was smooth and what looked like rifling was actually copper deposit.
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