In The Wrapper

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   I was going through boxes of parts and found, what I think, is a No9 bayonet in the wrapper. This would have come from Century Arms International in the early 2000’s. At the time I purchased several No4 MkI rifles. I’m dying to peel it open and check the markings. 

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HammerDown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: December 08 2023 Location: PRK Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerDown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: In The Wrapper Posted: January 04 2024 at 8:27pm
	I was going through boxes of parts and found, what I think, is a No9 bayonet in the wrapper. This would have come from Century Arms International in the early 2000’s. At the time I purchased several No4 MkI rifles. I’m dying to peel it open and check the markings.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 04 2024 at 10:54pm
	thats what it appears to be to me , the spear point version - there were two versions the spear point and the drop point that looks like a no 5 , im not big on leaving things in wrappers where they may get spoiled by age/corrosion ,

HammerDown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: December 08 2023 Location: PRK Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerDown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 4:52pm
	Agreed, I'm going to unwrap it this weekend and see what it is.

paddyofurniture Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 26 2011 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 7942	Post Options Post Reply Quote paddyofurniture Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 5:33pm
	Photos please.
	Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.

HammerDown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: December 08 2023 Location: PRK Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerDown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 5:59pm
	If my research is correct, this was made at the Royal Small Arms Factory, Enfield in 1951.

HammerDown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: December 08 2023 Location: PRK Status: Offline Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerDown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 6:03pm


paddyofurniture Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 26 2011 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 7942	Post Options Post Reply Quote paddyofurniture Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 6:07pm
	Very nice.
	Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 05 2024 at 9:34pm
	enfield made in 51 if im seeing the markings correctly , very nice indeed , and looks like its escaped a lot of the rust that got so many that were left wrapped , but i was wrong on the spear point - its the drop point , i prefer that version myself

Strangely Brown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Online Points: 645	Post Options Post Reply Quote Strangely Brown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 06 2024 at 4:04am
	That's typical of the War Office/Ministry of Defence, "lets keep the scabbards for spares". That's what you get when the government designs bayonets with the same scabbard design over a 39 year period. The other example I can offer is the sale of the L42A1, the bean counters suggested that the chamber cleaning stick could be useful for the next sniper rifle introduced into British service so they tool out all the chamber cleaning sticks before selling off the rest of the CES! The academic in me wonders whether the make do and mend culture from ww2 is responsible for some of these decisions. Nice No.9 by the way!
	Mick

Goosic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8842	Post Options Post Reply Quote Goosic Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: January 06 2024 at 5:50am
	South Africa-ARMSCOR While Aftrica used the British-made No. 9 Mk. I bayonet, they also manufactured a uniquely South African variant of the No. 9. The South African No. 9 blade profile differs significantly from its British cousin. This is a No. 9 bayonet made by Armaments Corporation of South Africa (ARMSCOR), Lyttelton Engineering Works, in Pretoria. ARMSCOR is the State-owned arms manufacturer in South Africa. The British No. 5 Mk. I scabbard would not work with the So. African No. 9 blade, so other scabbards were substituted. There was no dedicated So. African No. 9 scabbard. The scabbard pictured below with this example is from a M1 bayonet. The M1 was the So. African variant of the Belgian FAL Type A bayonet. By the time the So. Africa No. 9 bayonets were made, the M1 bayonet was being replaced by the R1 bayonet (the So. African variant of the Belgian FAL Type C bayonet). While the M1 scabbard was compatible with the So. African No. 9 blade profile, it was longer than necessary for the No. 9 blade...

Strangely Brown Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: April 05 2022 Location: Wiltshire Status: Online Points: 645	Post Options Post Reply Quote Strangely Brown Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 06 2024 at 5:57am
	Goosic, I have the South African version but missed the chance of getting the "knuckle duster" hand grip for one a few years ago on Ebay. I'm guessing the handle was a private enterprise item and not standard issue for SA forces.
	Mick

Goosic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8842	Post Options Post Reply Quote Goosic Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 06 2024 at 6:19am
	The one pictured is mine and that blade is sharp enough to shave the hair off of my arm. I am almost certain it was sharpened after-the-fact...

Enfield trader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 923	Post Options Post Reply Quote Enfield trader Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 07 2024 at 12:28pm
	I’ve had several of the SA blade bayonets - kept a couple fit the SA No4s