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My new Criterion and Lothar Walther barrels are still sitting on the shelf.  I have the necessary tools to install the barrel and finish ream the chamber.  As long as the accuracy on my No. 4 shooter holds with the .311 Sierra MatchKing, I’ll postpone replacement.  

Moosm14, did I understand you correctly, Criterion and Lothar Walther have no plans for another production run of No. 4 barrels? 
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I bought one for my no1 mk3 only used cast bullets so far haven’t had time to shoot it since
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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Moosm14, did I understand you correctly, Criterion and Lothar Walther have no plans for another production run of No. 4 barrels?

Last I heard from them Criterion is going to make another run in the future. They did not give me a date.
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I had inquired to both manufacturers as to the possibility of making a run of No 4 barrels in 7.62, as they already had the CAD and tooling set up for No 4 barrels in 303. 

(The K98 barrel I received from Lothar Walther chambered in 7.62 is one of my most accurate MilSurps)

Neither Criterion or Lothar Walther responded as to the requisite number needed to consider a run in 7.62
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What I was told a by Criterion couple weeks ago was.....

"We do not have a firm estimate yet but it should be sometime next year"

and

"We operate on a first come first serve basis.  All orders are shipped in the manner that they are ordered.  This would cover any existing orders and hopefully restock our inventory. "

That said, in the early summer they were saying later this year and in spring the gunsmith I spoke with told me he was told last year they were going to making more this summer so MAYBE they might have more surplus stock to draw from......MAYBE and when next year is anyone guess
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Originally posted by Moosm14 Moosm14 wrote:

I had inquired to both manufacturers as to the possibility of making a run of No 4 barrels in 7.62, as they already had the CAD and tooling set up for No 4 barrels in 303. 

(The K98 barrel I received from Lothar Walther chambered in 7.62 is one of my most accurate MilSurps)

Neither Criterion or Lothar Walther responded as to the requisite number needed to consider a run in 7.62
I had spoken to Criterion about the possibility of making a limited  number of No4 barrels in 308 in which I would pay up front for one of them. Their reply was that for them to even consider doing that I would have to commit to purchase a minimum of 250 barrels at a wholesale cost of $18,750.00 USD...
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

I had spoken to Criterion about the possibility of making a limited  number of No4 barrels in 308 in which I would pay up front for one of them. Their reply was that for them to even consider doing that I would have to commit to purchase a minimum of 250 barrels at a wholesale cost of $18,750.00 USD...

Interesting------ that would make each barrel for a custom 250 barrel run worth $75 USD each.. "wholesale" and at that cost they would be making money. 

"Retail" cost of an Enfield barrel from Criterion is $349.99 – $394.99 USD

That said, there is a lot more to converting a .303 Enfield to 7.62 than just the barrel
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That's a ridiculous markup.
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Originally posted by DRG1953 DRG1953 wrote:

Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

I had spoken to Criterion about the possibility of making a limited  number of No4 barrels in 308 in which I would pay up front for one of them. Their reply was that for them to even consider doing that I would have to commit to purchase a minimum of 250 barrels at a wholesale cost of $18,750.00 USD...

Interesting------ that would make each barrel for a custom 250 barrel run worth $75 USD each.. "wholesale" and at that cost they would be making money. 

"Retail" cost of an Enfield barrel from Criterion is $349.99 – $394.99 USD

That said, there is a lot more to converting a .303 Enfield to 7.62 than just the barrel
Converting a No4 Enfield to 7.62x51mm is rather easy and straightforward. I've converted 5 of them so far...
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What bolt head and extractor do you use? Or do you modify the existing?
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The face of the bolthead is trimmed back accordingly is very small increments until proper headspacing is achieved. 
The extractor claw I use is for the 2A1 Ishapore.  It gives a deeper grasp of the 7.62 cartridge...
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Cool. I was thinking some 2A1 parts might be used.

Speaking of that, I need to find a spare extractor for my 2A1. I don't like not having spares.
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I have been waiting for Hornady to make .312's again and I use Graf's as the " canary in the coalmine" with the idea that if Grafs doesn't have it nobody does

I was just auto notified

HORNADY 303/7.7MM(.312) 174gr BULLET RoundNose 100/BX is back in stock at Grafs.com
Item #: HRN3130
Price: $36.99

It doesn't do me any good in Canada right now but it does mean some actually exist if anyone had been waiting for them
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Again Criterion responded back to me and said they planned another run of barrels, but have no date set.
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How does the 2A1's extractor need to be modified to fit the No.4 bolt head?
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For your conversions, have you always used proper conversion magazines, or have you been able to get away with anything else?
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