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Nice rifles indeed. Slings ??????
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I have never been able to Fathom why the M1 was only a 8 shot ! I owned one once & christened it the Pregnant Duck ! I must of owned the only Dud that was ever produced !

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Dave I read somewhere one time it had to do with that feeding mechanism, to add additional capacity would have required a larger reciever and more time and money to redesign. With the axis powers coming to power they wanted to push the weapon into production.  The redisgned rifle was called the M-14. I Will try and find this article.
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I know the M14 well ,but didn't  they experiment with a 7.62 version of the Garand ? I think the Greek Army adopted it .

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Yes and if I recall correctly it was a magazine fed version as well
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The slings are standard M-1 web slings. I can't use the M-1907 leather slings because I'm too tall. The leather sling does not provide enough adjustment.
 
The Garand was orginally designed for a .276 cartridge that the Government was going to adopt. With large stocks of 30-06 in warehouses and other weapons (BAR & M1919) chambered for 30-06 the Army decided to keep the ammo supply simple and the Garand was changed to 30-06. The .276 rifles held 10 rounds but changing to the "fatter" .30 round meant only 8 rounds could be clipped.
 
The US Navy did adopt a 7.62 x 51 version of the Garand. Some of the rifles used chamber inserts, some were produced with barrels chambered for the 7.62 mm round. These rifles are rare and scarcely seen today.
 
I've not heard of a Greek 7.62 mm, box mag version, however Beretta made a 7.62 mm rifle with a detachable box magazine in Italy. Some of these rifles may have migrated to Greece.
 
When M-1's were sent to other countries as military aid they were frequently rebuilt in that country. This includes stocks which were slightly larger than the original issue US military stocks. My '43 has a Greek stock which is larger in circumference than the stocks on my other two rifles.
 
Thanks for the kind comments, my rifles appreciate the compliments.
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Originally posted by thresher_593 thresher_593 wrote:

The slings are standard M-1 web slings. I can't use the M-1907 leather slings because I'm too tall. The leather sling does not provide enough adjustment.
 
The Garand was orginally designed for a .276 cartridge that the Government was going to adopt. With large stocks of 30-06 in warehouses and other weapons (BAR & M1919) chambered for 30-06 the Army decided to keep the ammo supply simple and the Garand was changed to 30-06. The .276 rifles held 10 rounds but changing to the "fatter" .30 round meant only 8 rounds could be clipped.
 
The US Navy did adopt a 7.62 x 51 version of the Garand. Some of the rifles used chamber inserts, some were produced with barrels chambered for the 7.62 mm round. These rifles are rare and scarcely seen today.
 
I've not heard of a Greek 7.62 mm, box mag version, however Beretta made a 7.62 mm rifle with a detachable box magazine in Italy. Some of these rifles may have migrated to Greece.
 
When M-1's were sent to other countries as military aid they were frequently rebuilt in that country. This includes stocks which were slightly larger than the original issue US military stocks. My '43 has a Greek stock which is larger in circumference than the stocks on my other two rifles.
 
Thanks for the kind comments, my rifles appreciate the compliments.


      Strange how history repeats it's self . Look at the British in 1913 a New prototype rifle chambered for a .276 round & then at the out break of WW1 the Pat 14 was conceived by rechambering & retooling for the .303 !
       I would say it was the Beretta offering that was adopted by the Greeks thanks for clearing that up

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And now the 6.8 baked beans (SPC) has been released by some mob that is pretty much the same as what the old .276 round was...
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Was the .276 cartridge that the Brits developed the same as the .276 round the Americans were experimenting with? I think I read the Pattern 13 rifle was chambered for .276 and they kept having problems with rounds cooking off in the chamber during extended firing sessions. Apparently that isn't a problem with .303 and .30-06.
 
I've always liked the Pat 13 & 14, M1917 rifles. Someday, I hope there's one living in my gun safe.
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Originally posted by thresher_593 thresher_593 wrote:

Was the .276 cartridge that the Brits developed the same as the .276 round the Americans were experimenting with? I think I read the Pattern 13 rifle was chambered for .276 and they kept having problems with rounds cooking off in the chamber during extended firing sessions. Apparently that isn't a problem with .303 and .30-06.
 
I've always liked the Pat 13 & 14, M1917 rifles. Someday, I hope there's one living in my gun safe.


    The Pattern 1913 was most defenatly chambered for the .276 now whether it was the same round the US experimented with I'm not sure but I would think so . The main reason for the Pattern 14 was the out break of WW1 & it was easier to retool the Rifle to .303 & of course the M1917 was a quick fix for a shortage of Springfields as once again the tooling was there in place & it didn't take much of a redesign on the Pat 14 !

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Right, the M1917 was a modification of the Pat 14 rifle, changes to the bolt and magazine. The US fielded more M1917's in WWI than '03 Springfields. Alvin York was armed with the M1917 when he earned the DSC. After WWI alot of the M1917 rifles were re-furbed and sent to the Phillipines and National Guard units around the states. It's common to see them at American Legion and VFW posts that serve as honor guards for military funerals. Beautiful rifles. I'd love to get ahold of one.
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There was a time over here that it was quite common to see both Pat 14s & M1917's for sale ! In the last 10yrs or so the supply seems to have dried up some what ! My 303-270 is built on a Pat14 action & the last M1917 I heard of for sale was at a ridiculous price & I refused to pay it ! Pre Buy back days,M1's were around & weren't badly priced,what amazed me is the fact of the numbers of M1 carbines that were on the market & the price they were offered at (& the fact of the numbers sold ) The thing with the M1 over here was the fact they were quite cheap to buy ,but then you had to fork out to buy the Chargers & that's where you got caught ! A case of supply & demand !

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Dave chargers are common over here if you ever need any let me know.
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M1 clips are easy to come by. Every gunshow has them. If you need some let me know. The CMP has been selling M1 Carbines for over a year. They're priced from $495 up. I'm hoping for a year end bonus and it will be applied to the purchase of a Carbine. For what its worth, my Dad says the carbine is worthless as a combat arm. His first night on Guam his unit was attacked and he put 5 rounds into a Japanese soldier at 25 yards without putting him down. The next day he turned in his Carbine and picked up a Garand.
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