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    Posted: June 05 2015 at 2:53pm
OLD FART PRIDE
Old Farts are easy to spot at sporting events; during the playing of the National Anthem, Old Farts remove their caps and stand at attention and sing without embarrassment. They know the words and believe in them.
Old Farts remember World War II, Pearl Harbour , Guadalcanal , Normandy and Hitler. They remember the Atomic Age, the Korean War, The Cold War, the Jet Age and the Moon Landing. They remember the 50 plus Peacekeeping Missions from 1945 to 2005, not to mention Vietnam .
If you bump into an Old Fart on the sidewalk he will apologize. If you pass an Old Fart on the street, he will nod or tip his cap to a lady. Old Farts trust strangers and are polite, particularly to women.
Old Farts hold the door for the next person and always, when walking, make certain the lady is on the inside for protection.
Old Farts get embarrassed if someone curses in front of children and they don't like any filth or dirty language on TV or in movies.
Old Farts have moral courage and personal integrity. They seldom brag unless it's about their children or grandchildren.
It's the Old Farts who know our great country is protected, not by politicians, but by the young men and women in the Air Force, Army, Marine Corps, Navy and Coast Guard and police, serving their country.
This country needs Old Farts with their work ethic, sense of responsibility, pride in their country and decent values.
We need them now more than ever.


I was taught to respect my elders. It's just getting harder to find them.

I am glad I am a old fart and my kids are the improved model, silent but deadly.
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Hear hear! I too am GLAD to be classified as an old fart! Damn proud of my country too! Great post Paddyofurniture! These Canadian soldiers may not be 'old farts' but they will be one day, God willing!
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AMEN to this , if you were not born with pride , raised with pride , hopefully you learned to have pride in your later years , 

i had all three advantages and live it every day , 
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Not a picture of me, but from the same intake at Air Force Gymnasium Jan 1988. Back then you either went and did your national service straight from high school or after university. We learned to be real men.
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we once - in my lifetime had mandatory service - a draft [not what one might think of as volunteering for national service - by any means in those days of turmoil] today we are all voluntary , i agree with you in the premise ....one should , in the real world , "do your national service" , 

i agree it should be after high school or college as you may choose , but i also think it should be one of the things a person grows up from birth accepting as an obligation - no one is exempt - no one is privileged to be given special treatment , 

in my day - -- - i take a breath  - -- - our secretary of state john kerry "who served in viet nam" was treated special , as were others , but he went there -came back- and "told tales before congress" to launch his political career ,  there were many others that were drafted and others who volunteered to serve , they did not get to launch their careers by throwing their fellow servicemen under the bus before congress - john kerry's father was a congressman - it might have helped him get where he went , but his lies ...................that will not be forgotten by some of us , also did , 
there was also the hollywood crowd - but that is another rant ill tAKE UP ONE DAY IN THE FUTURE . 

 the gist of this is that , i do not take issue with national service , i think it a good thing , i think it should be mandatory , i also think that no person should be exempt nor should anyone ever get personal gain by serving , there should be penalty for both not serving and gaining politically ...im just saying , after near 50 years of looking back on what i looked at in those times , 

back when they could draft us - arm us - send us to kill in a foreign land - but we could not vote nor drink in our home town , we were young once ............
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I think it was a great loss that national service was abolished. Every 16 year old male was given a mustering. We all complained about it, but after serving you were proud of having done it.
Back in the day you were also called up to do "camps". You had to go and do a few week's service every year or two. Although "campers" were seldom required to do anything. It was "accepted" that these older guys had done their required time and were there just as a mater of formality.
 
In today's professional militaries I believe that conscripts (national service / draft) should be allowed to opt out of doing service outside of the nation's boarders due to some controversial conflicts. Professional soldiers (i.e. those that have chosen soldiering as a profession) must accept their postings, domestic or abroad, as dictated by their government or find another profession.
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

back when they could draft us - arm us - send us to kill in a foreign land - but we could not vote nor drink in our home town , we were young once ............
 
Remembering that the word Infantry derives from the Latin word for boy. I guess the foot soldier was the first into battle. They would have been the youngest, fittest, and least proven of the soldiers. More experienced soldiers would have developed skills to handle heavier weapons and deploy more specific tactics.
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if our borders were being respected by our government i might agree , 
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I don't agree with interfering in another country's conflicts where there is no direct threat to that country. Except where the need for humanitarian reasons.
 
Good example is WWII. I won't list the bad examples on the grounds of offending people who served either not by choice or by misinformation.
 
After WWII there was the communist threat that was used to justify many a conflict. Added to that the falling apart of the communist states and the centuries old fight in the middle east.
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I must say that the "Old Fart" attitude is sadly lacking in today's world; and it is a bad thing. I suspect that if we ever need to fight in Europe again, they will missed!
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attitude may be lacking in some but ive had a resurgence of pride in the youth lately , ive been watching the rise in trap shooting in this state , went from about 30 five years ago to just over 2000 last year and this year we have over 8600 shooters , state shoot is later this week , 

last weekend we had a registered shoot , i only saw one youngster that did not show adequate respect when the national anthem was played and all were well behaved during the interaction with the older shooters , has rekindled my hope for the future and my positive views of the young , 

not all are looting and demonstrating in the streets - some are learning lifelong interests from those that found them before them , 
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

I must say that the "Old Fart" attitude is sadly lacking in today's world; and it is a bad thing. I suspect that if we ever need to fight in Europe again, they will missed!


   They were MEN with pride. Todays youth in the UK are a bunch of wimps and spoiled brats with no respect. Who think nothing of urinating on the war memorials. Bring back conscription but make it 3 years instead of 2 and a months refresher course every 2 years, the birch, hanging, and make prison a life of he!! for offenders not a holiday camp with tvs gyms and "prisoners rights". The nanny state and human rights brigade have ruined the UK.
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Not just England. Its the same crap here as well.
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Hear hear. I spent 7 years in England and all I wanted to do was beat the he!! out of the youths. And they know that you can't touch them because it would amount to assaulting a minor. I had 10 year olds telling me to f off.
 
I think it all starts with how a person is brought up. If you bring the right attitude you hardly have to discipline. Also making a youngster accountable for their actions goes a long way. Shooting and hunting are activities that bring these types of attitude and discipline.
 
Making youngsters do some kind of community service helps a lot to get them into the frame of mind that "its not all about me". 
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When we were in our 20's we went to South Wales, up in the Brecon Beacons a lot.

We got conned into doing "Outward Bound" & "Duke of Edinburgh's awards" by the local rugby club, which we were members of. They picked "Borstal Boys" (Juvenile offenders on the way to becoming jailbirds) for the courses to try & sort them out instead of rotting in the Scrubbs later on.

Its surprising how many "Yobbos" got sorted out on some of those camping trips. Many of them just didn't understand how to behave because they'd never been taught.

Anyone interested can Google earth for Penderyn (yes, where they had the arsenal that made .303 rounds its still there in an industrial park now.)
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