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   The primary reason for the 25 yard distance is that many Schools have found that most people can't shoot well enough beyond 25 yards to be effective.
Just learning how to index your front sight on the target the same way every time is a skill unto itself.

Here is a pic of a group I shot while re-sighting in my Mini 14 after moving the optic.  this was shot at 100 yards with a Red Dot sight with a  3 MOA Dot IE: 3" dia. I was holding the edge of the dot on the left point of the diamond. 

The elevation was perfect at @1" high at 100 for a 200 yard zero.  The windage was about 1" to the right of perfect, but close enough, as I figured I'd quit while ahead.

I was taught how to index the dot this way only a few months earlier.  I was also taught what types of targets to use and how to index the Front Sight of a Rifle or Handgun or Shotgun with sights on those targets to get repeatable results.

No one is born knowing this stuff. You have to be taught. Then you have to practice!

Randy

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W.R.Buchanan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 21 2014 Location: Ojai CA Status: Offline Points: 373	Post Options Post Reply Quote W.R.Buchanan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 21 2021 at 4:21pm
	The primary reason for the 25 yard distance is that many Schools have found that most people can't shoot well enough beyond 25 yards to be effective. Just learning how to index your front sight on the target the same way every time is a skill unto itself. Here is a pic of a group I shot while re-sighting in my Mini 14 after moving the optic. this was shot at 100 yards with a Red Dot sight with a 3 MOA Dot IE: 3" dia. I was holding the edge of the dot on the left point of the diamond. The elevation was perfect at @1" high at 100 for a 200 yard zero. The windage was about 1" to the right of perfect, but close enough, as I figured I'd quit while ahead. I was taught how to index the dot this way only a few months earlier. I was also taught what types of targets to use and how to index the Front Sight of a Rifle or Handgun or Shotgun with sights on those targets to get repeatable results. No one is born knowing this stuff. You have to be taught. Then you have to practice! Randy
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MJ11 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: September 18 2008 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 1903	Post Options Post Reply Quote MJ11 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 21 2021 at 7:40pm
	And I'm impressed but stuck with 1K of mid 1970s bright HXP. MY RELOADS work good at 600 yards .Then the short course ,150g Game Kings and 4895 are OK too. I don't do supports other than my ruck or a sock full of rice or beans. I'm just a simple soildier. My training was MOC and it was a rich environment. Thanks for all the data.
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 22 2021 at 6:07am
	Plus there used to be an outdoor 25 yd range on every base & airfield for the most part. Location, location, location!
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Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 22 2021 at 12:56pm
	Good explanations Randy. It's good to see you back here! it's been a while! Zed.
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 22 2021 at 1:51pm
	I'm unfamiliar with the "MOC" TLA, what is it? Oh & we're just kidding its a nice rifle.
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AussieShooter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: April 14 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Status: Offline Points: 343	Post Options Post Reply Quote AussieShooter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 22 2021 at 7:09pm
	Well, I have bad news, really bad news, and bloody fantastic news. Which do you want first? OK. The bad news. My shooting today was terrible and I am not even going to post my target. I fully agree with Randy that shooting beyond 25 yards appears to be a challenge, at least for some of us. I have an entirely new respect for soldiers and match shooters. The really bad news is I can't blame the Enfield. I did the same with my Winchester 94 .22WMR. High and Right. So, this appears operator error and I need to determine what I am doing wrong. However, see below... ...the bloody fantastic news. I have plenty of ammo and look forward to lots of practice! Hey, I'm an optimist, silver lining, lemonade type of guy! I attached a video - one my mate took and one on my iphone at full zoom...first shows the beautiful ping of a direct hit at 110yd, the second a [near??] miss. There is hope yet! Also, I got my ammo specs wrong in an earlier post. I was shooting 150gr and 180gr PPU, not 174 as previously stated. I saw no real difference between the two. All seriousness, before I make any adjustments I need to practice a little more so we can be better informed, and I will definitely try the 25 yard targets- this is something I think even I can do (OK, you can stop laughing now!) Seriously, amazing insight and knowledge, thank you for sharing.
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britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 4:36am
	When shooting off your elbows with no artificial support under the rifle, use of a sling makes a big difference. First, it pulls the rifle into your shoulder which will in time eliminate flinching. Second is that it steadies the rifle considerably and allows you to minimize muscle induced movement of the rifle. In the US, NRA and CMP Rules don’t allow use of a sling in standing position, but everyone uses slings in sitting and prone position. Find yourself a US 1903 sling, they are not that expensive. Lots of information online on how to rig it and how to use it properly. If you have a mat, start in the prone position, it is the most stable. To shoot well, you must find your “Natural Point of Aim”, that is when you are the most relaxed with no muscle input to hold the rifle. To find your NPOA, get into position and align the sights on the target, then close your shooting eye, try to completely relax for at least 5 seconds, then open your eye. If the sights are not aligned, you do not have your NPOA. Keeping your left elbow (right elbow for left hand shooters) planted (don’t move it), pivot your body left or right around your elbow to correct lateral alignment and forward and back to correct elevation. Repeat this until you have found your NPOA. Finding your NPOA is a critical step for accurate shooting. There are other steps, but this is probably the most important fundamental of accurate shooting. Muscling the rifle into position for sight alignment will never give good repeatable results.

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 6:32am
	From your video, a couple of pointers if I may. You "figet" with the 2 stage trigger. Instead try slow steady pressure, hold at the end of stage 2 final aim hold breath & squeeze, don't jerk it. Hold the wood forend, not the magazine box. Get you elbow DIRECTLY under the rifle, not offset & leaning.
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lyman1903 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: August 12 2018 Location: Beach VA, Status: Offline Points: 94	Post Options Post Reply Quote lyman1903 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 7:13am
	BritRifles is spot on, very good advice, to add, try resting the fore arm on a rest (an actual adjustable type rest, or a Rucksack, etc, butt in shoulder, trigger finger hand grasping the wrist, and your other hand grabbing the sling at the rear swivel, this is more comfortable on a bench, but can work in prone as well that will help you with a really steady way to get sighted in , if you prefer not to strap up in a sling NM style, a hasty sling (google, you basically use a semi tight sling and tighen it up by dropping your elbow thru it)

britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 7:29am
	Once you learn how to hold the rifle with minimum movement and find your NPOA, learning how to release the trigger with absolute minimum movement of the rifle (and follow through) is the next most important step. This is where dry firing is invaluable. Watch the front sight for any movement as you release the striker. Considerable movement can occur while the striker is moving forward and the primer ignites the powder and bullet travels down the barrel, particularly if you develop a habit of flinching. This is why follow through is so important. I usually take up the first stage trigger pressure as I’m breathing, the sights should only move vertically while you are breathing. If the front sight moves diagonally, you have not got your support hand elbow directly under the rifle. Pause your breathing at about 1/2 your lung capacity. When you recognize you have the correct sight alignment on the target while holding your breath, slowly increase trigger pressure as Sham described until you break the shot. As you gain skill, you can be more deliberate in releasing the trigger which is necessary for shooting in the standing position. In prone, you place your support hand elbow as far forward as you can and directly under the rifle as Sham said. Use a good tight sling to pull the rifle into the shoulder. Your rifle should stay in your shoulder with your trigger hand not holding the rifle. The trigger hand has a moderately firm grip, like a handshake. With a sling, it will not be necessary to pull the rifle into your shoulder with your trigger hand. Shooting can be very addictive, once you start down this path and improve, it just makes you want to shoot more. I highly recommend new shooters enroll in an Project Appleseed Clinic if you live in the US. They will teach you the basics of rifle shooting. It’s best to start with a .22 as this prevents developing a flinching habit.

AussieShooter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: April 14 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Status: Offline Points: 343	Post Options Post Reply Quote AussieShooter Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 8:11am
	Excellent feedback and advice. I posted the video anticipating some critique and really appreciate the advice and the fact you took the time to review the video. Huge THANK YOU. There is a lot to remember here, so be patient as I try to implement and practice your tips and best practices. I have largely hunted birds and shot a 12 gauge for the past 20 years, and this is my first entry back into rifles since the high school cadets. I have never header of Project Appleseed but will research this - I am a believer in training - self teaching is great, but a small amount of professional advice and training can go a long way. I recently acquired an Australian commemorative 22 WMR and am looking for a Henry 22LR (22LR remain affordable, if you can find them) so these should be a suitable to establish some good practices. My past post was a little in jest, but I am truly looking forward to the practice. regards,
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britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 10:02am
	Project Appleseed helped me immensely to get started with the basic principles of shooting. The object is to get you to shoot as an Expert Rifleman by the end of the two days. It takes some shooters a few clinics to obtain their rifleman badge. Getting your Expert Rifleman badge is not the end of your training, it is the end of the beginning of your training to develop your shooting skills.

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	Shotgun & rifle techniques are very different. You'll get there.
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Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 23 2021 at 11:59am
	Excellent advice from Britrifles. Shooting a .22 rifle at 50 yards is great practice. The ammo is dirt cheap and you won't develop a recoil flinch; which can happen with the large calibre rifles; as it can with a shot gun too. You can probably shoot around 200 rounds of .22 for the price of 25 rounds of .303 If you have an Enfield in .22 you even get the same sight picture and trigger pull.
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	I researched Appleseed at lunch and really like the program. IL has a few options but neighboring WI has a bunch of courses scheduled. I will definitely register. Understand it Mt is the begging of skills development. Duly noted! Zed, you are a genius. I didn’t think of a 22 enfield. Back to the sale boards I go...if anyone has a surplus Australian 22 enfield I would be interested....
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